JRE MMA Show #127 with Mikey Musumeci

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En base a la información proporcionada, el proceso de creación de la pizza en casa es el siguiente:

  • Ingredientes: Se utiliza masa de pizza comprada, que el entrevistado obtiene de Whole Foods o Trader Joe's. Utiliza quesos de alta calidad, que compra en tres supermercados diferentes, también utiliza albahaca. Se prefiere no usar carne.
  • Preparación: El entrevistado es muy particular con los ingredientes. No tiene mucha paciencia, por lo que se enfoca en la selección de ingredientes y no en hacer la masa.
  • Cocción: El entrevistado utiliza un horno para pizzas en casa.
  • Consumo: Disfruta de comer una pizza grande por la noche junto con una pinta de acai.
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RESUMEN DEL VIDEO - JRE MMA Show #127 with Mikey Musumeci

Introducción

El video presenta una entrevista con Mikey Musumeci en el JRE MMA Show. Se discute sobre diversos temas relacionados con su carrera en Jiu-Jitsu, su estilo de vida, su dieta y sus experiencias personales.

Experiencia con el COVID-19 y su impacto

  • Mikey relata sus experiencias con el COVID-19, mencionando que lo ha contraído tres veces.
  • Describe la gravedad de sus síntomas, especialmente durante la variante Delta, que afectó sus músculos y pulmones.
  • Comenta sobre el largo tiempo de recuperación y cómo la enfermedad impactó su entrenamiento.

Mudanza a Singapur y su entrenamiento

  • Explica por qué se mudó a Singapur, citando su admiración por el propietario de One Championship, Chatri Sityodtong, y su visión del futuro del Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Compartió su experiencia viviendo en Singapur y su entrenamiento diario en el gimnasio Evolve.

Dominio Del Portugués y Aprendizaje De Idiomas

  • Comparte cómo aprendió portugués de forma autodidacta, principalmente a través de Google Translate y la interacción con brasileños.
  • Menciona lo interesante y poético que es el idioma y como cambia su personalidad.
  • Actualmente está aprendiendo indonesio.

Carrera En Jiu-Jitsu

  • Discuten sobre su carrera en Jiu-Jitsu, destacando su dedicación al entrenamiento y su enfoque en detalles técnicos.
  • Compara el Jiu-Jitsu con un problema matemático y la importancia de tener respuestas a las reacciones del oponente.
  • Explica su método de entrenamiento, donde trabaja con compañeros de entrenamiento para desarrollar respuestas a diferentes situaciones de combate.
  • Revela su habilidad para crear nuevas sumisiones y adaptar técnicas existentes.

Enfoque En La Escuela ONE Championship y Trayectoria Profesional

  • Hablan sobre la importancia de los eventos de Jiu-Jitsu en One Championship y el impacto en la visibilidad del deporte.
  • Habla de sus metas y la transición de títulos a ayudar a la siguiente generación de atletas.
  • Explica su rutina de entrenamiento y la suplementación con cardio de larga distancia y otras cosas.
  • Comenta el impacto de su dieta de una comida al día, basada en pasta, pizza y acai y la diferencia para el rendimiento.

Dieta Inusual y estilo de vida

  • Detalla su inusual dieta que consiste en comer una sola comida al día, principalmente pasta, pizza y acai, mencionando que su cuerpo asimila mejor estos alimentos desde que era niño.
  • Explica su proceso de creación de la pizza en casa y su pasión por la cocina.
  • Comparte su perspectiva sobre el impacto de la dieta en su rendimiento y bienestar, comparándola con el ayuno intermitente.

Perspectivas sobre entrenamiento y competencia

  • Discuten la importancia de la sostenibilidad y el disfrute en el entrenamiento de Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Comenta sobre el desafío de competir y su equilibrio entre introversión y la búsqueda de desafíos.
  • Mikey describe la validación de sus movimientos en competición.
  • Habla de sus estrategias mentales, incluyendo el trabajo en la autoconfianza.

La Visión de Jiu-Jitsu, los retos y el futuro

  • Se exploran las perspectivas de Mikey sobre el futuro del Jiu-Jitsu y su impacto en la generación actual.
  • Discuten la posibilidad de que el formato de One Championship se convierta en el futuro de Jiu-Jitsu, con eventos más grandes y su integración en eventos de MMA.
  • Comentan sobre su experiencia en la competencia, el entrenamiento con hobbyistas y la importancia de la autoorganización en su aprendizaje y mentalidad.

Conclusión

La entrevista concluye con una invitación a los espectadores a seguir a Mikey Musumeci en las redes sociales, sobre el próximo torneo de One Championship y con agradecimientos.

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RESUMEN

En el JRE MMA Show #127, Joe Rogan entrevista a Mikey Musumeci sobre su carrera en Jiu-Jitsu, su inusual dieta de pizza y pasta, su enfoque en el entrenamiento con aficionados, sus objetivos de impacto y la expansión del Jiu-Jitsu.

IDEAS

  • Mikey Musumeci relata sus múltiples contagios de COVID-19 y sus severos efectos en su cuerpo.
  • Musumeci, entrenando en Singapur, describe la experiencia transformadora de vivir y entrenar allí.
  • Musumeci se auto-instruyó portugués usando solamente Google Translate, demostrando gran capacidad de aprendizaje.
  • Musumeci explica cómo el Jiu-Jitsu es una expresión de creatividad, un arte en constante evolución para él.
  • Musumeci ve el Jiu-Jitsu como un problema de matemáticas, donde cada reacción exige una respuesta precisa.
  • Musumeci describe su método de entrenamiento con aficionados, mejorando tanto la técnica como la observación.
  • Musumeci revela que la energía del ambiente de aficionados le resulta más productiva que la de competidores.
  • Musumeci comparte que el objetivo de su vida es ayudar a la siguiente generación a tener un impacto con el Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Musumeci es famoso por su dieta de una única comida diaria, centrada en pizza, pasta y acai.
  • Musumeci afirma que su inusual dieta es clave para su sostenibilidad y rendimiento en el JiU-Jitsu.
  • Musumeci reconoce que su nivel de concentración y disciplina se remontan a su deseo infantil de ser campeón.
  • Musumeci revela su aversión a competir, balanceada con el deseo de superar desafíos y validar movimientos.
  • Musumeci explica que ha sido entrenado en el estilo de entrenamiento "guard" debido a su constante entrenamiento con oponentes mas grandes.
  • Musumeci, menciona que el formato de One Championship promueve el Jiu-Jitsu emocionante y orientado a la sumisión.
  • Musumeci destaca la importancia de las sumisiones para el crecimiento y la popularidad de Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Musumeci celebra a los nuevos talentos como los hermanos Rotolo y destaca su estilo ofensivo.
  • Musumeci comparte que busca tener un impacto en otros con Jiu-Jitsu, algo que le da un propósito en su vida.
  • Musumeci declara que el Jiu-Jitsu profesional permite una carrera y una vida más gratificante para él.
  • Musumeci menciona que el Jiu-Jitsu le permite ser él mismo y romper el estereotipo de "tipo duro".
  • Musumeci detalla el enfoque individualizado del entrenamiento, adaptado a las necesidades específicas.
  • Musumeci destaca la importancia de la sustentabilidad en su vida y reconoce su libertad en su practica de Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Musumeci menciona las ventajas que ha conseguido al consumir la dieta que ha estado consumiendo ultimamente.
  • Musumeci considera el entrenamiento con compañeros con menos experiencia, por el live drilling.
  • Musumeci explica los beneficios de las saunas de infrarrojos para la recuperación y el bienestar.
  • Musumeci valora la experimentación y adaptación en su nutrición, aprendiendo directamente de su cuerpo.

INSIGHTS

  • La recuperación del COVID-19 se puede ver obstaculizada por el trabajo excesivo y la falta de descanso.
  • La inmersión en la cultura y un ambiente estimulante pueden potenciar el crecimiento personal y profesional.
  • La autodisciplina constante y la pasión profunda pueden llevar a niveles notables de dominio en cualquier campo.
  • La visión del Jiu-Jitsu como una ciencia en constante descubrimiento fomenta un aprendizaje continuo y emocionante.
  • El entrenamiento con oponentes diversos, combinando resistencia y análisis, optimiza la técnica y la estrategia.
  • La búsqueda del propósito en la vida puede transformar la presión y la incertidumbre en satisfacción y motivación.
  • La adaptación de la dieta y el enfoque de una sola comida por día puede permitir la sostenibilidad a largo plazo.
  • La necesidad de impacto social y el deseo de inspirar a otros dan forma al éxito y a la gratificación en cualquier ámbito.
  • El Jiu-Jitsu en One Championship apunta hacia un futuro emocionante con un mayor enfoque en la finalización.
  • La capacidad de adaptarse a diferentes estilos y entornos de entrenamiento es esencial para el crecimiento del atleta.

CITAS

  • "Delta era la peor, no podía casi caminar."
  • "Aprendí portugués completamente fuera de Brasil."
  • "Es un idioma hermoso, es como un lenguaje poético y fluyente, más emocional."
  • "El futuro del Jiu-Jitsu cuando estaba hablando con él, fue algo que yo quería ser parte."
  • "Estoy luchando por el cinturón, en el One Championship en septiembre 30."
  • "Jiu-Jitsu es una gran carrera ahora, se puede trabajar de esto."
  • "Es muy interesante, es un lenguaje hermoso la manera en que suena."
  • "Veo el Jiu-Jitsu como si fuera un problema matemático."
  • "En mi mente, yo no era feliz después de ganar ese titulo."
  • "Mi objetivo en la vida es impactar y ayudar a la gente."
  • "En mi mente, yo soy mi propio coach, entreno solo con aficionados."
  • "Yo nunca fui de hacer cosas malas a mi cuerpo."
  • "Creo que la comida en América es mas procesada."
  • "Yo me siento mejor cuando yo no como tanta carne."
  • "Yo no se si esto es cierto… no soy un nutricionista."
  • "Es por eso que como Acai todos los días, para quitar las ansias de azúcar."
  • "El Jiu-Jitsu no es sobre pasar la guardia y el control de la posición, eso no significa nada."
  • "La única manera que el Jiu-Jitsu va a llegar y permanecer aquí, es con sumisiones y siendo emocionante."
  • "En la competición es mas eficiente estar abajo."
  • "Mi meta es hacer un movimiento, un trabajo y validarlo."

HÁBITOS

  • Entrena Jiu-Jitsu durante muchas horas al día, enfocándose en el perfeccionamiento técnico.
  • Consume una sola comida al día consistente en pizza, pasta, y acai para controlar el peso.
  • Prioriza el aprendizaje constante de nuevas técnicas y la exploración de movimientos.
  • Busca el descanso activo, mediante el trote y con el tiempo que ello requiere.
  • Incorpora las saunas de infrarrojos a su rutina diaria para mejorar la recuperación física.
  • Entrena con compañeros aficionados que le ofrecen diferentes niveles de resistencia.
  • Se enfoca en la creatividad y adaptabilidad para superar los límites del Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Adopta una actitud de mejora continua, analizando y perfeccionando cada movimiento.
  • Se alimenta y vive de acuerdo a sus propias necesidades, en lo que se refiere a alimentación.
  • La importancia de mantener hábitos que permitan la sostenibilidad en el entrenamiento.
  • El uso constante y la practica de idiomas, con el fin de facilitar la comunicación.
  • La practica de la perseverancia y su inmensa disciplina por obtener sus objetivos.
  • Se centra en la motivación propia y se enfoca en cumplir por sus objetivos.
  • Aprovecha los beneficios de los baños de Epsom, con el fin de mejorar su calidad de vida.
  • El gusto por las actividades al aire libre, especialmente las rutas para conectar.
  • Se compromete a la exploración y aprendizaje constante sobre su propio cuerpo.

HECHOS

  • Mikey Musumeci tuvo COVID-19 tres veces, siendo la variante Delta la más problemática.
  • Aprendió Portugués con Google Translate y corrigiendo errores con brasileños.
  • Musumeci vive en Singapur y entrena en el reconocido gimnasio Evolve MMA.
  • El Jiu-Jitsu en One Championship ha tenido un crecimiento exponencial en su plataforma.
  • El partido entre Musumeci e Iminari tuvo más de 25 millones de visitas.
  • Musumeci entrena regularmente con aficionados en lugar de competidores de élite.
  • Musumeci se alimenta con una dieta basada en pizza, pasta, y acai, una vez al día.
  • Musumeci ha cortado hasta 35 libras en preparación para una competencia, en dos semanas.
  • Musumeci recuperó el sentido del olfato después de una ruta en Goldstrike.
  • One Championship está incorporando el Jiu-Jitsu a sus eventos principales.
  • En el Jiu-Jitsu el formato de One Championship se enfoca en la finalización de combates.
  • El Jiu-Jitsu con técnicas combinadas con el boxeo es el futuro del Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Actualmente se enfoca en el Jiu-Jitsu y en la plataforma de One Championship.
  • El 30% de su rendimiento se vió afectado por el esfuerzo de perder peso.
  • Un gran número de atletas están utilizando el Jiu-Jitsu como forma de vida.

REFERENCIAS

  • El programa se grabó en el JRE MMA Show #127 con Joe Rogan.
  • Mikey Musumeci menciona un encuentro con Chatri Sityodtong, dueño de One Championship.
  • Musumeci menciona su batalla con Iminari, un nombre dentro de la disciplina.
  • Musumeci se refiere a “Who is number one” como plataforma de Jiu-Jitsu.
  • Musumeci habla de los beneficios de las saunas y menciona estudios sobre el tema.
  • Musumeci cita la regla en la que se dan tarjetas amarillas como motivación valiosa.
  • Musumeci hace referencia a una entrevista que tuvo Hamza Hamza Chemiev.
  • Musumeci habla sobre la disciplina que tuvo en su niñez con su entrenador.
  • Menciona, al igual, al luchador de MMA Cody Garbrandt en una referencia.
  • En la entrevista se habla de el libro “Law of Attraction” y su aprendizaje.
  • Musumeci, hace mención a la famosa aplicación que se utiliza en el mundo.

CONCLUSIÓN EN UNA FRASE

El Jiu-Jitsu, arraigado en la disciplina, la creatividad y la pasión, transforma la vida y otorga propósito.

RECOMENDACIONES

  • Dedica tiempo a la reflexión sobre tus verdaderas motivaciones y pasiones en la vida.
  • Ajusta tu dieta a tus necesidades individuales, priorizando alimentos que disfrutes.
  • Considera el aprendizaje continuo y la exploración de nuevos conocimientos y habilidades.
  • Busca la compañía de personas que compartan tus valores y te impulsen a crecer.
  • Prioriza la recuperación y el descanso como herramientas esenciales para el éxito.
  • Considera el impacto de tu estilo de vida y la sostenibilidad en tus decisiones diarias.
  • Explora el poder de la creatividad y la innovación para superar límites y retos.
  • Evalúa la posibilidad de entrenar en un ambiente que se ajuste a tus necesidades.
  • Busca la práctica en un área en la que sientas que puedes explorar tu potencial.
  • Recuerda que el enfoque y el rendimiento cambian si hay disfrute con lo que se hace.

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[Music]<br>well what a journey mikey we were<br>supposed to be doing first of all thank<br>you to red band for saving the day<br>if it wasn't for you<br>once again yeah we'd be yeah you saved<br>the day with kanye and you saved a day<br>with mikey musamechi<br>so jamie got the cooties ladies and<br>gentlemen again again for the second<br>time he looks great he doesn't seem like<br>he's that sick so we're stuffing them<br>full of iv vitamins out there and uh so<br>you've had covert how many times i think<br>two or three times now two or three did<br>you get tested or you just i got tested<br>two of them so for sure too but i think<br>i had it three the third time you think<br>you had yeah delta was the worst one<br>though did you get it bad i could barely<br>walk from delta like my lungs and like a<br>good month of like dying really yeah wow<br>well you were probably training the<br>whole time weren't you i was training<br>during the omicron one but uh the delta<br>one like my muscles i couldn't lift my<br>arms and legs like it got really bad wow<br>that's crazy because you're in really<br>good shape and you're you're young yeah<br>i run six miles every morning and i<br>could barely walk a mile when i had it<br>wow<br>yeah so it got you hard really messed me<br>up did you do you think you were getting<br>it and then you kept working out and it<br>got worse was it one of those deals i<br>think so but i think the residual<br>effects of it from after being sick or<br>what messed me up like with the muscles<br>mm-hmm felt like my body was like<br>decomposing wow yeah how long did it<br>take before you like fully got over it<br>a few months like completely like where<br>my body didn't feel messed up so did you<br>take any medication while you had it<br>were you on anything no just just your<br>immune system yeah just drinking a lot<br>of water a lot of sauna yeah and like<br>just dealing with it yeah<br>yeah there's that's not the best<br>strategy yeah<br>[Laughter]<br>vitamins are very important to deal with<br>it but if you can get access to<br>monoclonal antibodies that's really the<br>best way to handle it yeah because i had<br>the vaccine three times and i still got<br>it really bad so wow yeah damn<br>it was so yeah it's uh<br>it's a tricky disease so anyway uh jamie<br>who has successfully avoided it for 21<br>months<br>he got it and he's had very strong<br>antibodies this entire time but then we<br>just got back from vegas for the ufc and<br>we did a big show out there<br>and uh he got the cooties yeah when i<br>was in singapore i had to get tested<br>like every week because i was going to<br>indonesia a lot in malaysia so<br>i knew i didn't have it at least during<br>that time so when you were what are you<br>doing in singapore you were training in<br>singapore and living in singapore yeah<br>so the last four months i've been living<br>in singapore um i moved there to train<br>at evolve which is the most the coolest<br>gym i've ever been in my life yeah it's<br>huge and like the facility is amazing<br>and um<br>i moved there because i wanted to train<br>and see uh shatri the owner of one<br>championship um<br>i met him one time and he was like the<br>most<br>amazing person i've met and like<br>um he's a true martial artist he loves<br>jiu-jitsu muay thai and what he stands<br>for with martial arts like it really<br>moved me and it was um i moved to<br>singapore it changed continents and i've<br>been living there the last four years<br>for four years no four months sorry oh<br>okay for four months yeah so for four<br>months like how do you live out there<br>like what are you doing so i'm training<br>every day there and um just experiencing<br>the asian culture you know i love<br>learning about cultures and um i'm<br>learning indonesian also are you really<br>yeah<br>is that the language they speak in<br>singapore they speak malay but indonesia<br>is right there also<br>so<br>bella<br>so you speak portuguese yes right<br>fluent right yeah fluent i taught myself<br>portuguese just how did you do that so i<br>was around brazilians my whole life so<br>um i just used google translate for so<br>many years that i learned portuguese<br>that way no one ever taught me<br>no way yeah<br>really just using google translate<br>that's insane and then brazilians always<br>correcting me when i made mistakes<br>wow<br>that's nuts so i even know like the<br>slangs of the different parts of brazil<br>because i would just talk in portuguese<br>on my phone like all day with brazilians<br>the how i've never even heard of someone<br>like learning from google translate how<br>much time did you spend on google<br>translate lots of hours<br>that's insanity yeah because you just<br>over time just keep using it you start<br>seeing the words and you start<br>remembering the words<br>did you train much in brazil no i've<br>only i learned portuguese completely out<br>of brazil wow<br>and so just talking to brazilians every<br>day yeah words you didn't know or<br>understand going through google<br>translate 100 and<br>wow but what about like the grammar and<br>how things are structured did you speak<br>spanish at all before no i just um over<br>time i just kept learning it more and<br>more and more wow it was like just a<br>long process well you started training<br>when you were four right so 21 years i'm<br>25 now yeah so 21 years of being around<br>brazilian yeah just<br>how long did it take before you actually<br>could speak portuguese<br>uh like like fluent like to this level<br>or just like just i knew some words as a<br>kid you know and then um i would for fun<br>try to pretend i was brazilian at like<br>tournaments like with the refs it would<br>help if you're brazilian with the refs<br>right<br>so i would go in as an undercover spy<br>and i would go up to the refs say<br>something in portuguese i didn't know<br>any words and the ref would think i'm<br>brazilian so i would finish the<br>tournament and then the ref would come<br>up and talk to me i wouldn't know he's<br>saying and then he would look at me with<br>betrayal<br>and then you eventually learned how to<br>talk so now you talk to the refs in<br>portuguese yeah now i talk to everyone<br>in portuguese you know can you read it<br>too rewrite it write speak wow<br>no formal training no formal training<br>that's very impressive<br>it's just i loved learning languages and<br>cultures you know so um for me jiu jitsu<br>came<br>the jitsu i do came from brazil so the<br>brazilian culture is so big in jiu-jitsu<br>so i really wanted to learn portuguese<br>um and even to communicate with all the<br>brazilians it's so interesting it is<br>interesting it's a beautiful language<br>the way it sounds yeah it's like a<br>poetic flowing language it's more<br>emotional like i feel like in portuguese<br>i'm almost a different person than in<br>english<br>like you're it's all feeling based you<br>know i'm more like confrontational in<br>portuguese<br>i'm a whole different personality it's<br>weird hilarious that's hilarious no do<br>you know any other languages right now<br>i'm learning indonesian that's it yeah<br>i'm getting better with that spanish is<br>so similar to portuguese that i could<br>understand it and um read it<br>do you um learn indonesian from just the<br>same way you learned<br>portuguese from just like google<br>translation so you can't because<br>because indonesian is has a formal and<br>informal and nobody talks informal but<br>google translates only formal for<br>indonesian so i have to learn it from<br>friends and um<br>i'm just learning it like that<br>so<br>the the process of you going over to<br>singapore so you meet chauchari yeah and<br>then you just just decide to go to<br>singapore just decided<br>and just decided to move there yep it<br>was um<br>so my whole life i lived very close to<br>my parents you know and um 25 years and<br>then i leave and just change continents<br>you know um<br>again with shatri's vision with martial<br>arts and um i saw like the future of<br>jiu-jitsu when i was talking to him and<br>it was something i wanted to be a part<br>of<br>you know so i got my stuff my four royal<br>shirts and like two geese and moved to<br>singapore that's it yeah<br>so did they get an apartment for you or<br>something yeah i have an apartment there<br>right now i'm staying in a hotel but um<br>yeah i'm spending time here in vegas<br>still and there you know and so are you<br>planning on making this a long term<br>thing or yes yeah yes wow<br>you know because what one championship<br>is doing um now they're getting into jiu<br>jitsu yeah which is so interesting um<br>they're gonna have belts and divisions i<br>actually have my uh i'm fighting for the<br>belt in one championship september 30th<br>um and it's gonna be on amazon prime in<br>the u.s because now they're getting into<br>the u.s oh interesting yeah and<br>what's really cool about them is how<br>they're spreading martial arts all over<br>with kickboxing muay thai mma and jiu<br>jitsu on the same card yeah i think<br>that's really interesting so fans will<br>like learn about all the martial arts<br>you know like i could watch muay thai<br>and kickboxing as well as jiu jitsu yeah<br>so the viewership for it just increases<br>so much you know<br>well it's it's it's also interesting<br>right because they're showing all the<br>different styles by showing grappling<br>only and striking only you get to see<br>like the purest version of each<br>individual style yeah and they could<br>appreciate it right yeah they're getting<br>guys in there like nikki holdskin like<br>you know world-class kickboxers and you<br>know giorgio petrosian and all all these<br>like elite fighters and to have the<br>elite strikers and then guys like you<br>and i know they signed gordon ryan and<br>gary tonan so there's uh the rotolo<br>brothers so there's all these like elite<br>uh grapplers as well and then they're<br>putting on these amazing shows very<br>interesting i love the fact they're<br>doing that i love the fact that they've<br>by doing that they've really separated<br>themselves from all these other<br>organizations as well yeah it's<br>incredible and um again the exposure<br>it's giving jiu jitsu which is growing<br>so much um my last match with iminari<br>was the most viewed match in jiu jitsu<br>history um it was over 25 million views<br>wow so it just shows how their platform<br>which is huge could help jiu-jitsu<br>expand so much you know and that's why i<br>want to be a part of it and the growth<br>of jiu-jitsu we played that match on the<br>show<br>we were talking about your back take<br>that back take you did was so slick is<br>that a thing you do all the time that we<br>did yeah so um<br>it's just a move i've been working a lot<br>and the week of the tournament i was<br>just doing it over and over and over and<br>then when i went into the match like it<br>was a i was able to do it well it was<br>very sweet i've seen a lot of back takes<br>but that was a slick one that was very<br>slick<br>you're known for being a guy who trains<br>a ridiculous amount of hours a day yeah<br>is has that always been the case with<br>you yeah um well when i was in college<br>like obviously my hours were limited<br>with training but um since i've been out<br>of college like i have so much more time<br>now so i'm just studying jiu jitsu so<br>many hours and drilling you know so you<br>i heard you tweet you drill sometimes 12<br>hours a day yeah sometimes i'll end up<br>drilling like all day you know if i'm<br>studying a move or a position and i want<br>to find an answer for it like sometimes<br>it takes a long time you know and um the<br>puzzle of it is what makes me so<br>interested in jiu-jitsu<br>well that's what's fascinating to me<br>it's one of the things that i really<br>like to try to let people know about<br>yeah is that jujitsu in many people's<br>minds that don't train jiu jitsu they<br>think of it as like a we were talking<br>about it before like a brutish very<br>physical aggressive thing but it's not<br>it's super technical it's really<br>intelligent and people like yourself<br>excel at it people that become obsessed<br>with it<br>and then and just like really<br>concentrate in focusing on the finer<br>points of it and drilling until you have<br>something just laser sharp<br>so i see jiu-jitsu like a math problem<br>it's so<br>reaction based so you do a position and<br>your partner will give you a reaction to<br>defend your position so it's up to you<br>to have an answer to your react up to<br>the partner's reaction right so every<br>reaction they give you have to have an<br>answer so it's so literal like that you<br>know and what i love about it it's the<br>truth if you could do your position or<br>not it's based on that you know right<br>so it's just so fascinating to me that<br>and it never ends the reactions or the<br>variables of the person's body<br>the size of their limbs will alter the<br>position you know yeah<br>so always been so fascinating to me that<br>and it never stops so it keeps my mind<br>every second having to figure out new<br>things so when you're working a drill<br>like say if you're tr you're drilling<br>for 12 hours in a day are you like say<br>there's a position that maybe you got<br>stuck in or a position where you someone<br>defended and you feel like there's a way<br>to get through that what do you do do<br>you set up like with where your opponent<br>does like minimal resistance do you set<br>up for them to try to get out of<br>something like how do you how do you do<br>it so i'll have my partner giving me<br>like a lot of resistance and i have to<br>find the answer and i'll just keep<br>observing what they're doing um<br>typically what i'll do is i'll even do<br>the reaction myself defending the move<br>so i could see what<br>is the strength of it and then once i<br>find the strength of it i could figure<br>out how to stop it you know and just<br>mechanically like<br>reverse engineering it yeah so you back<br>engineer the move i saw the mikey lock<br>too that's very interesting that's a<br>really interesting leglock i watched you<br>uh demonstrate that and i was noticing<br>there was a lot of people that were like<br>legit black belts that were like oh [ __ ]<br>like that really works like there's<br>something to that yeah using your neck<br>instead of your armpit yeah<br>it's kind of wild it's just so<br>interesting how in jiu jitsu we could<br>alter positions with our body you know<br>and just instead like a heel hook so<br>people understand is using your armpit<br>so<br>what i figured out was using my neck<br>instead of my armpit which is also like<br>a pit and then it's the same efficiency<br>as a heel hook yeah and it really works<br>yeah<br>and you just invented that yeah i was<br>training and just figuring out different<br>uh ways to control the the foot to get<br>to a heel hook and then people started<br>tapping when i was doing this and i<br>didn't even know i had a submission<br>and then i was like oh my god and then<br>that became a submission wow<br>that's pretty wild<br>have you done that with other moves um<br>that's typically how it happens um<br>i'll be training and then i'll<br>subconsciously do something a movement<br>and then i'll like what just happened<br>and then we'll break down what i did and<br>then we'll discover positions you know<br>it's creativity jiu-jitsu is an art<br>right yeah so there's a form of<br>creativity to it and discovering things<br>in the art it really is an art and it's<br>an art that is<br>very much appreciated by people who<br>practice the art and it's kind of hard<br>for people who don't practice do you<br>appreciate it because they don't<br>understand it when i first started doing<br>commentary for the ufc one of the<br>biggest challenges was explaining jiu<br>jitsu in a digestible way like when i<br>would when the fight would go to the<br>ground a lot of times people would boo<br>or like they didn't know what was going<br>on and so it was my job to try to<br>explain the progression and like okay<br>now he's got to clear the right arm now<br>he's in trouble and then i would like<br>talk people through right up into the<br>submission right up until the person<br>taps so they would go oh<br>i see so it made jiu jitsu more<br>digestible to them and more exciting<br>because they instead of just like seeing<br>a bunch of legs and arms all tangled up<br>they got to see what the person was<br>trying to accomplish<br>yeah like um even my friends that<br>started jiu jitsu they all start<br>they're like oh i want to do ufc or mma<br>and then they go to the gym and they<br>look at the jiu jitsu stuff they're like<br>no and they'll do muay thai right and<br>then they'll just keep seeing the jiu<br>jitsu class and then one day they'll try<br>jiu jitsu one time and then they switch<br>just jiu jitsu no muay thai<br>yeah well it's it protects you uh from<br>brain damage too the the thing about the<br>problem with muay thai and so much<br>impact it's a lot of impact even if<br>you're just sparring light you're still<br>getting touched you're still getting<br>thumped in the head yeah do you have any<br>desire at all to ever fight mma so i did<br>muay thai for seven years as a kid yeah<br>so i love muay thai i think it's awesome<br>um and i'm in evolve right now which has<br>like the best muay thai program in the<br>world so<br>i'm interested in it you know and maybe<br>in the future if i keep learning but<br>again brain damage sucks yeah but if i<br>could take minimal damage i don't know<br>what the problem is like can you is it<br>possible to take minimal i think about<br>running into someone who's as good at<br>striking as you are at jiu jitsu so<br>you're gonna take a lot of attention<br>yeah you know what i'm saying like think<br>about like how much you can control<br>people like i first saw you in who's<br>number one uh who is the bald guy<br>marcel cullen that's right marcelo cohen<br>and uh i made a bet and i bet on you it<br>was me and lex friedman lex friedman bet<br>on marcelo i bet on you and i won ha ha<br>but uh you you you<br>when i was watching your technique i was<br>like this guy is super advanced like<br>this is really interesting and you were<br>setting him up like the entire time like<br>there was so many times it's almost like<br>you were like allowing him to put you<br>back in half guard and moving back to<br>mountain like he is like setting up<br>something very specific and then when<br>you had the opportunity for the triangle<br>you took it yeah i'm always baiting my<br>partner to give me certain reactions so<br>i can do the move you know right and um<br>that's what's so beautiful about youtube<br>how we could set things up and bait them<br>to give us something yeah you know<br>the problem with you going into mma is<br>like you could find someone who's like<br>that but with striking yeah like like<br>style vendor like someone who's like of<br>course who's like setting you up and<br>then you know but just learning a new<br>skill is so awesome and um that's what i<br>love learning you know oh it's probably<br>it's great for everything learning i<br>mean just learning a new martial art<br>just in turn in terms of just learning<br>new moves it's just great for like<br>understanding different ways that your<br>body can move and be effective yeah<br>totally<br>so your concentration now right now is<br>just on jiu jitsu yeah and because of<br>one fc and who's number one and there's<br>there's quite a few professional mma<br>jiu-jitsu opportunities now<br>which is kind of cool that didn't really<br>exist before<br>yeah that's what's so amazing about<br>jiu-jitsu like the generation before us<br>they didn't have these opportunities so<br>they had to go to mma yes you know now<br>there's professional jiu jitsu and it's<br>getting so much exposure that you could<br>be a professional athlete just doing<br>jiji yeah and then there's of course<br>things like bjj fanatics where you put<br>out videos and like people sell them and<br>you know gordon from that and seminars<br>on he's making a couple million dollars<br>a year no it's amazing it's crazy yeah<br>it's like you'd be crazy to not do<br>anything else but that yeah and now that<br>one is like putting it on you know on<br>television and in asia it's gigantic<br>right yeah um i was going to go to law<br>school two years ago<br>i had a full scholarship to law school<br>in las vegas and<br>from jiu jitsu and making the money i'm<br>making it was more beneficial to stay in<br>jiu jitsu and i become a lawyer you know<br>so it just shows how like jiu jitsu is<br>so great now and how you could do it as<br>a career also it's more fun oh so much<br>more fun being a [ __ ] lawyer no my<br>sister's a lawyer is she yeah is she<br>tammy yeah she's enjoying it<br>yeah she likes it she's sister's really<br>good too yeah she's she beat me up my<br>whole life<br>she's really good at jiu jitsu yeah i'll<br>never be able to get her back for the<br>amount of time she's tapped me<br>my whole life she's like smashed me so<br>um she trains every night after working<br>as a lawyer<br>wow she'll work from like six a.m to<br>like seven at night and then she'll<br>train at night wow yeah that's a lot of<br>energy<br>yeah but it's her passion right she does<br>jiu-jitsu is great for everyone to do no<br>i agree but if you went into law school<br>or if you went and became a lawyer like<br>that would really suck<br>yeah we need you out there no yeah i<br>have this angie too yeah you're a fun<br>guy to watch man you're very interesting<br>and it's interesting to see what you can<br>do with your body when we were outside<br>and you were like on your heels just do<br>that on the chair just so people can see<br>how ridiculous this is<br>like here like that is crazy that your<br>legs the people that don't know mikey is<br>sitting his butt is totally on the<br>ground and then his heels are totally on<br>the ground and his heels are beside his<br>legs<br>so your whole it doesn't even look<br>physically pot like i tried to get like<br>even close to that position my legs<br>there's no room for that movement in my<br>legs they don't they're not gonna go<br>like that yeah i think because i've been<br>training jiu-jitsu 21 years my body<br>could just bend in certain ways that<br>like it's so natural for my body yeah<br>well for sure it's a weird that's a<br>weird amount of movement that you can do<br>yeah that has to have come from i mean<br>you don't even probably remember your<br>first classes do you no it was i was too<br>young to remember so you've always been<br>doing jiu jitsu like as far as your<br>memory goes back<br>yeah 100 my whole life<br>yeah that's all i know<br>so your body has developed and matured<br>while learning jujitsu yeah so that's<br>why i feel like i'm so bendy and like<br>it's made for jiu jitsu from all the<br>years<br>you know you uh you had surgery fairly<br>recently i just had my appendix removed<br>oh jesus yeah it's out of nowhere i was<br>training normal you know i was doing<br>everything normal and then all of a<br>sudden<br>i had this sharp pain<br>and i thought i had a stomach virus you<br>know i was in so much pain and then i<br>was actually with saturday and shot he's<br>like no that's not a stomach virus<br>that's your appendix because it was like<br>one spot<br>so we go to the hospital and they said<br>if i went a few hours later i could have<br>died<br>like it was pretty intense so it burst<br>apparently yeah like i had to have<br>immediate surgery so<br>so i'm recovering from that now do they<br>speak english there yeah uh singapore<br>they speak english so<br>it's an english-speaking country so<br>mostly speak english and then<br>occasionally you hear people speak other<br>languages yeah like malay and mandarin<br>mandarin is mandarin like the third most<br>popular is english most popular english<br>is most popular like that's the working<br>language of singapore so that makes it<br>pretty easy yeah so it definitely makes<br>it easier for me uh but yeah they speak<br>mandarin there because a lot of chinese<br>people move there from china<br>and malaysia is right there too so<br>how long do you think you're going to<br>stay there<br>i think i'll spend a lot of time there<br>and<br>vegas still to see my family you know<br>just back and forth<br>but why do like why there just because<br>it's new and unique and this opportunity<br>trusting and being around chacha really<br>yeah to be to be around chatri and learn<br>from him um we train like three times a<br>week together oh wow yeah he's he<br>trained so much and he's so awesome like<br>he just loves learning martial arts you<br>know so i get to spend time with him and<br>learn from him<br>and<br>just experience a new culture like it's<br>so amazing<br>i'm eating all the food in asia too<br>you know and what is the caliber of<br>training partners over there yeah the<br>training in asia is actually really high<br>level you know um in vegas where i train<br>i just train with hobbyists in my garage<br>my the last five years or six years i've<br>been doing that<br>you trained with hobbyists hobbyists<br>only so meaning just people that are<br>friends just people that do jiu jitsu as<br>like fun like for like they get out of<br>work and they train for fun so you<br>haven't been going to a formal school um<br>i would represent big teams but 100 of<br>my training would just be with hobbyists<br>because i like their energy better than<br>competitors<br>um so if you train with a competitor<br>they have the vibe of like a nine to<br>five job<br>uh when i train with the hobbyist they<br>actually want to be there because<br>they're having fun<br>so how i train i train more like<br>hobbyists like my energy yeah so i<br>prefer being in an environment like that<br>so i surround myself with mostly<br>hobbyists<br>wow<br>i would imagine<br>there's<br>some sort of negative to that<br>in that you're not<br>you're not being pressured by elite<br>grapplers<br>but the way that i train i'm more just<br>teaching everyone around me to give me<br>certain reactions that i<br>need to work on so i'm more observing so<br>if i'm having if i'm doing a position<br>and i feel like something stops it i'll<br>teach everyone i train with how to stop<br>what i'm doing<br>and then i have to figure out how to uh<br>solve it again and again and again<br>so<br>you basically just<br>piece that all together once you<br>actually get into a match<br>and when so it's like you're making<br>you're creating like building blocks<br>while you're training yeah and i control<br>all the different variables and i just<br>add different things in<br>wow<br>so no<br>major gym where you go there and and<br>that's incredible<br>so you could easily recreate that in<br>singapore i could train anywhere yeah<br>exactly<br>uh the training in singapore is the same<br>level as if not higher than my training<br>in vegas so<br>it's sufficient you know<br>when did you start doing it that way<br>like when did you go to just basically<br>training on your own with hobbyists um<br>so basically since i was like 15 16<br>years old i lived in florida like um i<br>moved there when i was like 10 11 from<br>new jersey where did you start training<br>jiu jitsu what was the place you started<br>at a gym called fagio's martial arts<br>under fernando kabisa in new jersey and<br>i trained there for six seven years and<br>then i moved to florida<br>and in florida i trained that american<br>top team oh so i was with a lot of<br>carlson gracie black belts and many<br>people like that but basically it was me<br>and my sister we would drill for hours<br>on our own and we would just focus on<br>our own training you know like i've<br>basically been my coach since i'm like<br>15 years old<br>that is crazy and uh what we would do is<br>i would go to high school and uh before<br>high school i'd wake up like 4 30 a.m 5<br>a.m drool my sister in my garage and<br>then i would go to high school and then<br>right after<br>school i would go train again<br>and when you would train again then you<br>would go to other gyms and just train<br>with the people at the gym too yeah and<br>then when did you decide to start<br>training in your garage<br>um well i've always had mats in my<br>garage to train with my sister right so<br>it helps so much having a sibling that<br>also trained you know sure so my sister<br>tammy musumichi we would just train<br>every day together just drilling for<br>hours<br>and then but this decision to train<br>primarily in your garage even though you<br>have access to all these gyms yeah vegas<br>has a lot of jiu jitsu yeah so i trained<br>out a lot of local gyms in vegas with<br>friends that also train in my garage a<br>gym called ftcc and methods jiu jitsu<br>so all these people trained in my garage<br>also<br>local people<br>but um<br>we just started doing it especially<br>during covet time<br>but uh every night i trained in my<br>garage in vegas and a bunch of black<br>belts and uh friends that i built up the<br>last five to six years come to my garage<br>do you think there's any benefit at all<br>for you to be coached by someone else as<br>well like if you found like if you came<br>here and trained with john donahue or<br>something like that um so i definitely<br>get support from people you know um like<br>heath pedego is a good friend of mine<br>and he gives me like a lot of mental<br>support and stuff but um<br>that's from dave<br>yeah yeah uh but basically i<br>i just know<br>um the biggest thing i learned in jiu<br>jitsu is learning how you learn and<br>learning how you<br>exceed succeed and i feel like every<br>blackboard world champion is a little<br>different how they do well some need a<br>structured format by an instructor other<br>people do better in other environments<br>for me i feel like i do the best in this<br>style of learning you know<br>i'm just more efficient with how i train<br>so do you think it's that because you've<br>been doing jiu jitsu since you're four<br>years old you have such a deep<br>understanding of what it takes to get<br>good and what<br>what you need to do what steps you need<br>to take to improve that you really don't<br>need anybody<br>formulating things for you or creating<br>structure you could do it all yourself<br>basically you know um i feel like i'm at<br>the point now where i could just focus<br>on that and organize everything and<br>obsess about all the things on my own<br>you know and you're just self-motivated<br>as well yeah i'm well this is my passion<br>you know i really love jiu jitsu uh so<br>when i'm training it's my favorite thing<br>in the world<br>and<br>you supplement your jiu jitsu training<br>you were talking we were talking about<br>cardio where you do a lot of air dyn<br>bike stuff a lot of air dying and<br>running um long distance cardio i feel<br>like it helps me a lot mentally for<br>competition um so i train a lot with<br>like the hobbyist and i'll do a lot of<br>cardio um and that's pretty much it how<br>does it uh how does the long distance<br>cardio help you mentally<br>so<br>what's interesting about running<br>an aerodyne what i've noticed is the<br>first 10 to 15 minutes you have that<br>voice in your head that's like you're<br>tired stop like it fights you right and<br>you fighting that voice in your head<br>after 15 minutes it gets quiet like it<br>goes away so when you compete that voice<br>in your head is always there so it gives<br>you the skill of being able to shut it<br>off when you're fighting<br>or competing because it's jiu-jitsu<br>right and so like when you run<br>are you running and having specific<br>things on your mind like are you trying<br>to think about matches and think about<br>competition are you just trying to<br>breathe and keep moving so i think the<br>biggest thing about jiu jitsu is control<br>being able to control your opponent but<br>also yourself so i feel like mastery of<br>controlling yourself is what i'm trying<br>to do with running<br>and<br>master your thoughts master<br>all the different variables that i have<br>to deal with when i compete you know so<br>i channel that when i'm running like as<br>if i was competing and do you<br>incorporate any weightlifting or<br>anything else calisthenics nothing no<br>because um i lifted weights a little bit<br>when i was a kid but as i got older and<br>i got to black belt i stopped doing that<br>because all the people i'm fighting are<br>so strong and i didn't want to have to<br>rely on strength with them or to<br>overpower them so i wanted to make my<br>jiu-jitsu where if i don't it doesn't<br>matter the strength it matters your body<br>positioning right<br>and<br>do you play i mean you you've moved<br>around weight classes too right yeah<br>like what are you wait what are you<br>competing at now right now i'm competing<br>at 135 um<br>i fight 125 in the u.s uh because you're<br>allowed to cut water but in the one<br>championship they test for hydration<br>so<br>uh it's actually healthier so 135 in one<br>and you but you've gone up as high as<br>like what 155 um i did open weight in<br>2020 20<br>yeah 2020 at the euros so i fought those<br>big guys and um<br>it's fun fighting the heavier division<br>sometimes just to like see like how<br>um<br>just it desensitizes you to your<br>division when you fight the monsters in<br>the heavier divisions you know<br>so sometimes i'll do it just so then<br>when i go back to my division i feel<br>like superman from fighting those guys<br>you know<br>do you worry at all about injuries<br>because people are that big yeah totally<br>that's the [ __ ] up thing about<br>training with big people that's why i<br>don't train with big people anymore yeah<br>when i was younger i was forced to train<br>with only big people and i was always<br>injured my body was always messed up but<br>now that i'm training with little people<br>like my size<br>it's like zero impact so i could train<br>every day and i could keep studying and<br>learning jiu-jitsu i think that's a huge<br>reason why i could do such high volume<br>yeah i think so too i think when people<br>get into like real high pressure like<br>very intense training and you have a lot<br>of people that are very heavy that<br>you're training with yeah that's where<br>neck injuries and back injuries and [ __ ]<br>starts happening<br>and even like the energy of the people<br>you're training with if they're there<br>like to hurt you or are they there to<br>like<br>like good vibes right are they there to<br>get better because i've trained in so<br>many gyms as a kid where like the energy<br>is so bad in the gym and it's a fight<br>you know where people are stomping you<br>in the face people are trying to like<br>break things<br>um everyone would be injured all the<br>time<br>i'll go in before training on the side<br>of the mat praying uh god please don't<br>let me get hurt today<br>so many days like this well i've always<br>found that people that are smaller like<br>yourself<br>generally tend to be the most technical<br>because they have to be yeah there's a<br>real benefit to being a smaller grappler<br>in that if you really pay attention to<br>the guys like the hoyler gracies or<br>eddie bravos or these guys that you know<br>as they start out the career smaller<br>they're they're more technical they just<br>kind of have to be<br>yeah it's actually that's why also<br>you'll see kids when they become adults<br>they're so technical<br>um it's one thing is experience the<br>years they're training but also because<br>when they're kids they're not strong<br>right they don't have strength so then<br>when they become adults they have the<br>strength so they gain the technique when<br>they didn't have strength so it's easier<br>for someone to become more technical if<br>they don't have strength yeah because<br>you'll naturally force things yes i<br>always say that about striking too like<br>when little kids learn striking when<br>they learn striking early on it's so<br>good because they're not afraid to get<br>hit because they can't hit hard so they<br>kind of just touch each other but they<br>learn how to do things the proper way<br>like and they don't muscle everything<br>because like if you teach a big strong<br>guy how to hit things they try to like<br>really<br>they try to really wind up but little<br>kids like they'll just do this like the<br>way you tell them to so they'll keep<br>their hands right by their cheeks and<br>they'll throw punches the right way<br>whereas they don't open up to try to get<br>like extra horsepower into it and i feel<br>like it's the same thing with jiu jitsu<br>techniques yeah they'll be in the right<br>position before they try to execute as<br>opposed to try to like force their way<br>through something yeah i feel like<br>there's always going to be like the<br>natural strong guy that will not will<br>it's very hard for someone that's just<br>learning jiu-jitsu not to use their<br>strength right yeah it's their ability<br>just like a flexible guy it's hard for<br>them not to use their flexibility yeah<br>so any ability that you have you're<br>going to use so i think that's why the<br>small people get away with becoming more<br>technical because they're forced to a<br>hundred percent<br>yeah it's you want to learn small man<br>jiu jitsu you know i tell that even to<br>big guys like when i meet big guys i'm<br>like learn how to fight off your back<br>even though you probably won't be on<br>your back because you're so big but if<br>you can just learn how to fight off your<br>back it will<br>100 percent benefit your top game yeah<br>it's interesting because i've talked to<br>both bouche and gordon who are like two<br>of the best um have big people most<br>technical right and um they both say<br>that they train mostly with small people<br>because they want to have like the<br>technique like the small people yeah and<br>they don't use it like if you watch<br>gordon roll he's not using strength at<br>all so he's just using pure technique<br>yeah pure technique and knowing what you<br>can and can't get away with in certain<br>positions yeah when you when you look at<br>the overall scope of jiu jitsu like the<br>the jiu jitsu environment today<br>i'm so impressed with the level of<br>technique<br>it it is like if you go back to jiu<br>jitsu from the<br>time the ufc entered the picture in 1993<br>if you go back then and you can see<br>plenty of jiu jitsu matches you see a<br>really good technique i mean you watch<br>like hicks and gracie and you know he's<br>going against higa machado like they're<br>fun those matches are fun to watch<br>they're very exciting<br>but the level of jiu jitsu today across<br>the board<br>is<br>extraordinary no yeah it's growing every<br>year now and i think it has to do with<br>how the internet<br>and yes the instructionals like now all<br>the moves that people are doing it's<br>getting spread and then people figure<br>out new things and<br>if the growth is insane you're right<br>like it's insane it's beautiful like i i<br>have a folder on my phone that's just<br>for jiu jitsu moves that i've learned<br>like off of instagram where i have like<br>links to like like different videos it's<br>um it's amazing the just the depth of it<br>it's like there's no end to it you keep<br>thinking they're gonna run out of<br>techniques you keep thinking like well<br>we've figured out basically all the<br>different ways to break a limb and to<br>screw up your neck like we've got it all<br>down now let's just refine it nope<br>no it's something new there's always<br>something new it's crazy but it is it's<br>sort of like noises that you can make<br>with your mouth that lead to sentences<br>that lead to paragraphs that lead to<br>books like there's so many different<br>ways you could put them all together and<br>that seems to be the same thing with<br>jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu seems to be like a<br>language that you learn with your body<br>on you know how to submit people and<br>manipulate their joints and you know and<br>put them to sleep yeah and um i feel<br>like especially<br>with the way that jiu jitsu is that it<br>will never stop growing because it's<br>infinite possibilities yeah<br>no i think so too where what do you<br>see for yourself as a competitor you're<br>25 years old how much longer do you<br>think you're going to be doing this like<br>at an elite level and do you have like<br>long-term goals<br>so yeah so i've<br>won every title there is in the gui in<br>jiu jitsu you know um so right now i'm<br>focusing on nogi and one championship<br>especially because now they're going to<br>have belts and divisions and<br>i my goal in jiu-jitsu isn't about the<br>titles it's about helping the next<br>generation and<br>impacting people in the next generation<br>you know because a title you win next<br>year someone else will win it next year<br>someone else is winning but our impact<br>on people training jiu jitsu our impact<br>on inspiring people that's my goal with<br>jiu-jitsu you know<br>and when did you decide that that was<br>your goal<br>um<br>after i won my first black belt world<br>i won the title and in my mind i thought<br>i was going to be so happy winning this<br>title you know your whole life you<br>trained for it and then i felt nothing<br>winning blackboard worlds really i got<br>very depressed you know because<br>if you make in your mind a goal like a<br>title um you realize once you win it<br>that it doesn't make you happy it<br>doesn't feel<br>anything inside of you but what fills<br>inside of you is helping people um<br>like anything with helping people<br>teaching people that's why jiu-jitsu<br>instructors are so awesome how they<br>could um teach people and get them to<br>train you know<br>having an impact gives us a purpose in<br>life you know so that's my goal with jiu<br>jitsu to have an impact on others so<br>you've recognized that your own<br>individual success doesn't<br>give you enough it doesn't give me any<br>fulfillment wow<br>that's wild do you think that's because<br>you've been doing it so long that it's<br>been just a part of you for so long that<br>it's just<br>maybe<br>um i feel like it is so natural for me<br>to compete and everything you know<br>because it's my whole life doing it<br>right but um for sure i feel like uh<br>when i see someone message me like that<br>they're training you to because of me or<br>that i've inspired them and they enjoy<br>it and they're doing jiu jitsu and not<br>doing bad things you know to me that's<br>everything that gives me a purpose to<br>live you know are you<br>have you always had this like level of<br>discipline that you have now this level<br>of focus so<br>when i decided i wanted to be a world<br>champion jitsu i was like 10 11 years<br>old wow<br>so<br>it's so crazy at that age uh becoming<br>like in your mind like a professional<br>athlete you know you<br>um i had this uh insane instructor that<br>um that made that disciplined me like uh<br>his name was shark and he was like you<br>can't eat cookies or brownies i was like<br>10 11 years old you'll never be a world<br>champion if you eat this cookie<br>uh you can date girls you can like all<br>these things so i skipped basically<br>being a teenager and just went to being<br>an adult<br>jesus<br>so it was a lot of sacrifice you know<br>but uh looking back at it it made me who<br>i am today the discipline<br>that's great but it's nice to have fun<br>too right and that's what i'm learning<br>as i got older<br>totally so at 25 years old you're trying<br>to make up for lost time yeah now i'm a<br>teenager<br>that's crazy so you see your future um<br>perhaps as being a coach or running a<br>school or something like that uh i think<br>so you know i'm only 25 now um my body's<br>so healthy like i never did anything bad<br>to hurt my body so i'm very<br>healthy so i could continue competing<br>probably another 15 years if i wanted to<br>but i want to help more people i want to<br>do more seminars<br>meet new people learn about new cultures<br>you know that's what i really love um<br>and yeah maybe in the future also teach<br>people and have a gym and<br>yeah and i love learning so i don't know<br>where i'll end up i end up in a<br>different continent now so who knows do<br>you have<br>any<br>have you had any injuries that are you<br>know other than the appendix that<br>required surgery from jiu-jitsu never<br>think nothing no<br>wow so i've been very healthy in 21<br>years basically that's very lucky yeah<br>and again i feel like it's the way i<br>train now that<br>i've had some feed injuries knee<br>injuries but<br>overall thank god nothing crazy<br>yeah the way you train it's very<br>extraordinary i've never heard of<br>anybody doing that just<br>training with basically hobbyists like<br>at what level these hobbyists like<br>purple bell blue purple brown black okay<br>but um<br>originally they're all like blue purple<br>belts you know but you build the program<br>by just training with them every day you<br>know and then as they get more skilled<br>they give you more better and better<br>training<br>is this program something you wrote down<br>like do you write your training down<br>um not really i just know what i need to<br>be working at the right times you know<br>like i'm basically my own coach in that<br>way<br>um<br>and i just had everyone i train with<br>i teach them to try to beat me<br>that's literally my training<br>well that's a sign of a healthy ego that<br>you do that yeah i have no ego in<br>training um i get obsessive that i need<br>to have an answer to everything so<br>i need i'm very ocd so i if there's a<br>position that i don't have an answer to<br>i go insane so i need an answer to<br>everything i'm doing you know so when<br>you have a position that you have an<br>answer to do you consult with other<br>people ever<br>no i'll just have okay this scenario i<br>have an answer like this and then<br>there's always what if and then a<br>certain grip changes or a certain base<br>changes and then the thing i'm doing is<br>ruined so then now i'm like in panic<br>mode and i have to figure out how to<br>deal with it now right right right<br>and then you know another thing that's<br>really unusual about you is your diet<br>yes you're famous you're famous for<br>eating pasta and homemade pizza and only<br>eating once a day<br>every night i eat like this so how this<br>started was um<br>i've been cutting weight and dieting my<br>whole life right right and you almost<br>developed an eating disorder from always<br>dieting and cutting weight for so many<br>years of your life right it just<br>naturally happens so<br>i would binge eat i would starve you<br>know what i mean like it was very<br>unhealthy the way i would live how much<br>weight were you cutting<br>uh just at a young age cutting weight<br>you know i would always be cutting like<br>five pounds 10 pounds nothing crazy but<br>i've done crazy cuts also so you just<br>die from those also<br>but um<br>all that time it just messes up your<br>brain where you never feel like you're<br>satisfied and<br>you never full you know so that part of<br>your brain that says oh you're full stop<br>eating i stopped having<br>from cutting weight so much right so<br>what i started doing was intermittent<br>fasting<br>um so i would just not eat during the<br>day because honestly i don't like eating<br>before training i feel bloated when i<br>eat so i would just eat at night but i<br>started just eating the foods i love<br>i'm italian so i grew up just eating<br>pizza and pasta so i make pizza and<br>pasta every night i have a pizza oven in<br>my house and i roll out the dough make<br>everything<br>and then for dessert i'll eat a pint of<br>acai<br>and my weight would be lighter doing<br>this diet than eating like no carbs and<br>all these things so my mind i was like<br>wait i could eat all the foods i love if<br>i eat once a day at night<br>you know so it was a no-brainer for me<br>and my weight is lighter and i feel<br>better because i'm fasting so i started<br>doing it<br>wow so there's no issue with performance<br>at all that i mean given your blood<br>sugars and everything like that when<br>you're<br>training for extraordinary amounts of<br>time during the day and not eating<br>so how i see it is i have to earn the<br>food at night so training all day is<br>like me working for the food at night<br>you know right like how people used to<br>hunt and gather for food<br>so that's my mentality um<br>and my best performance in world gui<br>worlds was in december um i had my best<br>performance ever and it was on that diet<br>and i made 125 easy<br>and so when you do like day of<br>competition same thing you won't eat all<br>day day of competition i'll change my<br>diet and i'll eat a piece of bread and<br>like a little honey just you need some<br>food in your stomach to deal with the<br>nerves and adrenaline<br>that changes for me at least yeah um so<br>all bread and honey huh bread honey rice<br>cakes just very mild and some sugar uh<br>but nothing's too heavy<br>and when you are getting where is your<br>protein coming from what i ate a lot of<br>cheese cheese is that basically all your<br>protein basically um i eat a lot of<br>mozzarella um<br>a lot of parmesan a lot of pecorino<br>romano<br>do you put any animal products in your<br>pizza chicken or meat or anything like<br>that no meat no meat at all no i love<br>seafood and meat but um when i'm<br>training for competition i feel cleaner<br>when i'm not eating meat interesting<br>and your body doesn't feel like do you<br>feel like the protein that you're<br>getting from cheese is enough<br>i feel the best when i'm doing this like<br>i feel like most energy like cleaner i<br>don't understand how but it works<br>that's such a crazy diet for you to just<br>eat pasta and pizza and only eat at<br>night and then train all day<br>mo i would most people if you tell that<br>to they'd go what are you talking about<br>like if you brought that to a<br>performance coach oh they would be so<br>ridiculous what are you doing<br>have you talked to anybody about that or<br>they try to talk you out of it yeah a<br>lot of people said oh that's so<br>catabolic right because you're breaking<br>down your body doing it but for me it's<br>sustainability and i could sustain<br>eating and training and keeping a<br>routine doing this and i love my food so<br>i don't think i would be able to compete<br>how i do if i ate normal have you tried<br>different ways of eating like different<br>different diets and different kinds of<br>combinations of food before<br>yeah i've done every diet before<br>honestly no carbs high protein a lot of<br>meat you know but none of them are<br>sustainable for me this i don't have to<br>change how i eat when i train right i<br>could just eat like this and i love what<br>i'm eating i go to bed with a full<br>stomach<br>you know that's i'm happy<br>i'm always smiling when i'm eating like<br>this<br>most people look at you like i've seen<br>pictures of you without your shirt on<br>you're so ripped most people don't<br>believe that that's possible if you're<br>just eating peach pizza and pasta yeah<br>well i train all day every second you<br>know so if you're fasting for 20 24<br>hours and you just train every second<br>like your body just burns all the fat on<br>it right so you're basically eating for<br>like one hour<br>i guess yeah and i watch a movie and i<br>cook and just eat<br>wow<br>and that's just your daily routine every<br>day you know and i enjoy cooking pizza<br>so after training i'll get like i'll<br>start making the dough and<br>so that's my routine every day<br>and how many pizzas do you eat tonight<br>one big pizza like<br>like that fits on the in the pizza oven<br>you know and about half a pound to a<br>pound of pasta<br>and a pint of acai<br>i i once calculated it it was like 7 000<br>calories<br>7 000 calories and do you know how many<br>grams of protein are involved in that i<br>eat so much cheese that it was actually<br>a really high amount of protein<br>interesting<br>i've never heard of anybody getting<br>cheese as their primary protein source<br>yeah but you need to be an elite athlete<br>it's sustainability yeah it's keeping me<br>able to train and enjoy my training and<br>keeping me sane well i'm already insane<br>but it's keeping me more sane how did<br>did you read about this and decided to<br>give it a chance or was it something<br>that you you'd seen other friends do so<br>i just<br>i hated eating what happened was i<br>started doing this because i was doing a<br>lot of seminars and i would be traveling<br>all day and i would never be able to eat<br>when i was traveling then i'll eat a big<br>meal at night<br>and then when i started feeling was a<br>lot of clarity when i started fasting so<br>i stopped eating breakfast and i started<br>feeling better training not eating<br>before training<br>i'll just drink caffeine so i drink<br>caffeine during the day<br>and i feel like that gives me the energy<br>and i eat so much at night that in the<br>morning i'm still full from the night<br>before<br>and i'm just working off the food and<br>then by the time i'm hungry again it's<br>nighttime and i'm ready to eat wow<br>and so who taught you how to make pizza<br>um my grandma taught me how to make<br>pizza uh she passed away um like four<br>months ago but um she taught me how to<br>make pizza<br>and when you do it are you making the<br>dough do you have like a starter like<br>how does that work so i could make the<br>dough but with um all the things but it<br>takes too long i don't have patience so<br>i just get pizza dough from like whole<br>foods or like trader joe's and i'll<br>start with that though but then i'm<br>really particular with the cheeses and<br>like i go to like three different<br>supermarkets for like cheese basil<br>all the different ingredients so it<br>comes out really good damn making me<br>hungry yeah me too i love pizza and<br>there's something about like a good<br>pizza that you make yourself in one of<br>those ovens that you have<br>it's so satisfying yeah<br>well it's so satisfying to even did<br>watch you know yeah and you slice it up<br>and the melted cheese as you pick up the<br>first slice oh my god<br>how much more time before you get to eat<br>um probably tonight again<br>like it's where it's like 3 22 right now<br>like depends on the day probably after<br>this i'll eat like seven o'clock six<br>o'clock so have you trained at all today<br>not at all um no because my appendix so<br>oh<br>so i'm just doing a lot of cardio right<br>now and i'm training a little bit but<br>just very safe when can you go back to<br>full rolling well the doctor told me<br>like hard full rolling like middle of<br>august beginning of august so i could<br>start then but uh right now just lighter<br>training just keeping your body drilling<br>still studying but i just maintaining<br>right<br>and so this um one of the things i saw a<br>video of your whole pizza setup like it<br>seems like there's a company that you<br>use and they they send you certain pizza<br>dough yes what company is that um it's<br>called kavita for olive oil they send it<br>from italy um it's an olive oil from<br>italy and<br>i also have a pasta that i use and they<br>send it from italy too so it's just way<br>better quality what's the difference<br>um i feel like<br>the pasta from italy seems like it's<br>less gluten it seems cleaner like when<br>you eat it you don't feel as bloated um<br>i it's just different you know the olive<br>oil<br>apparently they don't change the ph<br>levels in it so in america all the olive<br>oils have to be like a certain ph like<br>this is just so natural they have to be<br>in america i think yeah because what<br>i've noticed about american food it's<br>more processed and<br>every time i travel out of america i get<br>lighter naturally just not eating the<br>processed american food it is wild when<br>you go to italy um because my family and<br>i used to go to italy basically every<br>year before covid<br>and uh everyone's thin<br>yeah like italians in america are so fat<br>and that's how i eat my pizza and pasta<br>it's almost like someone from italy you<br>know not like american italian food<br>right so i think that's why i'm so<br>skinny eating like that does this<br>company sell pizza dough as well no they<br>don't i'm getting my pizza dough usually<br>from like whole foods<br>so what are they using for the dough<br>though do you know just regular pizza<br>dough like i don't care like<br>i think i whole foods makes it healthier<br>right because it's whole foods is that<br>real no i don't think so no but um<br>just to say that but um yeah it's just<br>regular pizza though i use<br>and so um<br>you<br>have basically been doing it this way<br>for how long<br>i've been doing it this way since 2019<br>20 the last three years wow<br>three years of just pizza and pasta and<br>just strangling everybody i feel like<br>i'm better eating like this i'm happier<br>happier makes you better in life right<br>maybe i wonder you know i mean i used to<br>be miserable dieting all the time yeah<br>the dieting i think is terrible and i<br>think that there's some real benefit to<br>intermittent fasting and there's<br>definitely some real benefit to giving<br>your body some time to digest whatever<br>food that you have i think there's a lot<br>of people that are like packing food on<br>top of food yeah you know there's like<br>this constant cycle through their system<br>where their digestive system is always<br>processing things yeah i really enjoy<br>intermittent fasting generally i don't<br>like to eat before podcasts i like to<br>get a workout in in the morning and then<br>i don't eat until dinner that's mostly<br>how i do it oh so you only eat once a<br>day also pretty much but every now and<br>then i'll have like fruit like i'll have<br>like bananas or apples or something like<br>that before i work out but<br>the only time i deviate is when i'm<br>really hungry like there's something<br>going on like maybe i just worked out<br>too hard and i'll there's a um<br>there's a snack company called carnivore<br>snacks and they make these um<br>rib eyes it's like a sliced rib eye<br>that's dried but it's not like beef<br>jerky it's got like it's soft and like<br>chewy it's [ __ ] delicious and i'll<br>just grab a bag of that after working<br>out yeah okay like have some water drink<br>that and then i want to have a meal meal<br>until dinner yeah<br>yeah some people they fast at night and<br>they go to bed hungry i could never do<br>that<br>yeah that's not that's not enjoyable<br>going to bed hungry is not fun like<br>being hungry throughout the day at least<br>you know at one point in time you're<br>gonna eat later and i feel like when i<br>drink caffeine like it makes me full<br>also you know yeah definitely yeah<br>so it definitely helps that now what<br>about for recovery do you would you do<br>any ice baths or saunas or like what<br>kind of stuff do you do for recovery so<br>i have an infrared sauna in my house and<br>every night i'll typically go in<br>infrared sauna and i feel like that<br>helps my aches in my body so much<br>um what temperature do you put it at<br>like 140<br>um so i go in like 30 40 minutes and i<br>feel so much better after like a detox<br>almost yeah<br>um have you ever gone into regular dry<br>sauna like that i've got enjoy i've gone<br>in dry saunas also i just feel like it's<br>way faster and more impact like the<br>intensity of it yeah<br>but um infrared i feel like is less<br>impact so i could stay in longer and<br>it's less like you're suffering<br>i wonder what's better for your body<br>overall though because all the studies<br>that have been done i think have been<br>done primarily like the big ones they<br>cite all the time have been done on a<br>dry sauna<br>like there's one that was done out of<br>finland that's really fascinating where<br>they found that four times a week 20<br>minutes a day at 175 degrees the people<br>that participated in that had a 40<br>decrease in all-cause mortality wow so<br>it's 40 decrease in heart attacks<br>strokes cancer everything across the<br>board everything that's crazy and it's<br>directly attributable they believe to um<br>the<br>release of cytokines these heat shock<br>proteins from your body being in that<br>intense heat environment<br>i wonder like that intense heat<br>environment though 175 is very different<br>than 140. like you know the 140 the in<br>the infrared is tolerable yeah like i do<br>185 oh wow yeah it's not tolerable i<br>don't enjoy it like especially like the<br>last 10 minutes really [ __ ] sucks<br>like i could go in for an hour in the<br>140 watch a movie you know what i mean<br>so<br>um yeah i'm curious the benefits of what<br>i'm doing compared to the hotter one<br>yeah if it's like i wonder if it's like<br>sprinting versus like a long cardio<br>session like long cardio like base level<br>like<br>you know structure cardio is like very<br>important to have like this this very<br>strong base of cardio where you know you<br>always are going to recover quicker like<br>that's one of the real benefits of guys<br>who run like six eight ten miles like a<br>lot of mma guys are finding that out now<br>that they they have this extra gear by<br>putting in those long cardio runs these<br>long cardio sessions multiple times a<br>week as opposed to just exploding<br>because so much of mma is anaerobic but<br>if you build that cardio base it really<br>like sort of strengthens the whole<br>picture okay and i wonder if that's the<br>case with sauna like i wonder if there's<br>some benefit to going really hot for<br>like 20 minutes like like i do but also<br>some benefit to going 140 and doing like<br>an hour and maybe just like slow like<br>your body just has like a slow trickle<br>of these proteins<br>well for sure when the hotter one that<br>you do you sweat faster right yeah so<br>it's definitely more intense so yeah it<br>might be like sprinting in long distance<br>running<br>yeah even on your nervous system right<br>it would also build your cardio<br>what's interesting about um the really<br>hot sauna is it increases your red blood<br>cell count and it has a mild effect<br>that's akin to epo wow<br>yeah so it increases your red blood cell<br>count probably also helps your nervous<br>system recover yeah it's also helps you<br>deal with stress because it sucks so<br>hard<br>you get numb<br>well it's just you have the ability to<br>just suffer<br>like your self-imposed suffering is so<br>much more difficult than most of what<br>the world will give you because you<br>literally can't survive it for very long<br>the temperatures that i go into when i<br>hit<br>20 degrees or 20 minutes rather at 185<br>degrees i'm<br>i don't have much left<br>you know i'm really like my my physical<br>being is in trouble<br>like it's it gets to that point where<br>i'm like okay<br>maybe i can do another 15 minutes if i<br>really wanted to show how tough i am but<br>when i get out of there at those 15<br>minutes i'm gonna collapse<br>yeah i've done so many water cuts with<br>epsom salt baths where like you go in<br>you're screaming because the water is<br>burning your skin yeah so it's like that<br>also but it's interesting that you said<br>it gets for distress because every time<br>i do like an epsom salt bath i'll fight<br>way better because the pain from the<br>bath is way worse than the anxiety of<br>fighting well the pain from the bath<br>must be because of abrasions right from<br>scratches from jiu jitsu well just the<br>pain of like you're in such a hot water<br>right and you're like you feel like<br>you're burning<br>yeah i i have a float tank have you ever<br>done that<br>sensory deprivation tank the sensory<br>deprivation tank is filled with a<br>thousand pounds of epsom salts it's you<br>float in it<br>is that the one with the temperature<br>that your body is the same temperature<br>as the water oh yeah i have it here<br>that's so cool you should climb in it<br>yeah<br>so it's uh the temperature of the water<br>is 94 degrees which is the same<br>temperature as the surface of your skin<br>so as you climb in there and then<br>there's a thousand pounds of epsom salts<br>you just float and then you close the<br>door so you're in total silence and<br>total darkness and just floating and it<br>feels like you're flying because you<br>can't feel where the water begins and<br>the temperature and the air ends it's<br>just it's all the same temperature yeah<br>so it just doesn't feel like you're<br>connected to gravity it feels like<br>you're just flying that's so cool it's<br>really and it's really good for your<br>muscles like you get out of there you<br>feel like everything feels like relaxed<br>because there's so much epsom salts in<br>the water yeah i know epsom salt gets<br>rid of aches in your body yeah it's very<br>good for you and a lot of people use it<br>when they cut weight too right yeah yeah<br>it just opens your pores to like sweat<br>more how much weight have you what's the<br>most weight you've ever cut<br>the most weight i ever cut was<br>35 pounds<br>in like two weeks<br>what was your walking around weight i<br>was lighter but what happened was i got<br>really sick from over training and i<br>couldn't train for a week and i was<br>eating like crap<br>and um my weight went up to like 160.<br>like very bloated what are you wearing<br>right now uh right now like 138 139 oh<br>wow so<br>um this turn three weeks later i made<br>125<br>from 160.<br>jesus christ man<br>so you had to learn to not over train<br>that's my problem like i don't<br>my tolerance for pain is really high so<br>i don't know<br>to stop training<br>i'll just keep training training<br>training until my nervous system like<br>gets fried and then walking you could<br>barely do<br>how do your parents feel about this<br>well they're like you need to rest you<br>need to rest you know so um i'm getting<br>better as i get older with this right<br>just wiser about do you use any sort of<br>electronics like a whoop strap or<br>anything to sort of gauge your resting<br>heart rate yeah so i know like the<br>soviets would do that right when you<br>wake up like you're heart rate they<br>could like measure it to see if you're<br>over training yeah but um for me now it<br>actually helps me with over training is<br>running like the active<br>recovery of like jogging<br>i remember reading something that if you<br>run at like 1 30 and you keep your heart<br>rate at 1 30 it restores your nervous<br>system<br>so whenever i'm running i actually could<br>train more than when i rest<br>really it's like weird like so if i am<br>tired from training if i lay down and<br>rest i'll actually be more beat up than<br>if i go for a run<br>wow<br>that's so counterintuitive but it for<br>some reason helps your nervous system<br>restore faster than just laying down it<br>kind of makes sense right because like<br>you're forcing your body to work and<br>you're pumping all that blood through<br>your system but you're not really taxing<br>it in a way that's like like exhausting<br>it because 130 is kind of like<br>you know one day that's like breathing<br>at 1 30 right it's like not that big a<br>deal<br>it's not like you're burning out yeah<br>that's what i've noticed like um that<br>always makes me able to train more<br>mm-hmm<br>you know a lot of guys who do long i<br>forget what they call it but it was like<br>heart rate training where the long slow<br>training and i was like god didn't you<br>feel like a [ __ ] like don't you want to<br>like push yourself and be exhausted and<br>they were like yeah but you can't you're<br>really just supposed to like just kind<br>of<br>just kind of<br>and the thing about the sauna is when<br>i'm in there like uh my friend burt did<br>put a heart rate monitor on himself uh<br>in the sauna recently i noticed that<br>when i was using the my zones thing too<br>is that i would get into the yellow so i<br>would get into like the 80 max heart<br>rate like in 140s when at the end of my<br>sauna session so if i'm doing 185 that<br>was i was back then i was trying this<br>laird hamilton<br>protocol where he was doing like in the<br>200s he was doing like 210 and 215<br>degrees so i'd crank it up to 205. i was<br>just trying it but i was cooking my<br>mouth like i was having a hard time like<br>with my throat and i realized hey you<br>[ __ ] idiot you're cooking your throat<br>oh my god<br>because i was in there at 205 degrees<br>for 20 minutes it was so i'm like<br>basically like a brisket<br>um but it's ridiculous but when i would<br>get out of there i just<br>it was too much you know the impact yeah<br>it was too much i was i was over<br>exhausting myself<br>well when i would do like epsom salt<br>bats and i would cut a lot of water you<br>want to cry but you have no water left<br>in your body to cry<br>now how would you rehydrate did you use<br>iv no uh just electrolytes um but in jiu<br>jitsu especially in ib gtf you have to<br>fight right after weighing in so i got<br>so you cut the weight and then you<br>fought dehydrated yeah oh no yeah<br>so that just makes like your skill level<br>has to be so good with using no energy<br>that you could fight on your deathbed<br>but wouldn't wouldn't it be better if<br>you just fought at a higher weight class<br>no i fought at higher weight class too<br>like i won worlds at 141 and 125 yeah<br>but um just the experience of going down<br>to a lighter division and challenging<br>yourself where you feel like so weak and<br>no energy and being able to overcome<br>that like was fascinating to me<br>and when you did those um you had to<br>weigh in right after competition or you<br>have to wait right before competition<br>how much time exactly do they give you<br>like right before so there's three<br>matches before you when you weigh in but<br>if those matches go fast and people<br>don't show up you have to fight<br>immediately so with my luck when i did<br>this um this one time it was 2019 i won<br>worlds in 141 two years in a row and<br>this year i went down a weight class and<br>i fought 125. and i was 160 three weeks<br>before<br>i made 125 i had to cut my hair on my<br>head to make the weight at the end jesus<br>christ and i weighed in and immediately<br>i had to fight of course right away<br>right away so did you get a chance to<br>guzzle some water i just jugged down<br>some fruit drink or something and um<br>when i was fighting the thing in my mind<br>i was like just don't faint don't faint<br>did you get close no i was fine i wonder<br>if you would tap or black out quicker<br>like if you got caught in a triangle or<br>something like that<br>i'm maybe less blood in your body makes<br>sense if you have less water right if<br>your face that's interesting yeah i<br>never thought of that i would think that<br>you would be like more susceptible to<br>blacking out right you just go to sleep<br>faster right like say if like you're<br>fighting your way out of a triangle<br>right yeah you think in normal normally<br>you'll be able to fight out and this<br>time just<br>you have no blood to [ __ ] yeah<br>it kind of makes sense doesn't it yeah<br>it really does<br>how much of an impact do you think that<br>has<br>on your performance when you're losing<br>that kind of weight<br>um<br>40 30<br>that one tournament i was fighting like<br>30 percent but i still won worlds like<br>30<br>and then my last worlds i<br>doing my diet i do now<br>i made weight like with zero problem<br>like i was eating pizza pasta and acai<br>like two days before making 125. wow so<br>uh it definitely has a significant<br>impact because when i didn't do that it<br>was my best performance<br>have you had anybody else try to mimic<br>this diet of yours so some of my friends<br>at daisy fresh my friend george uh he<br>lost like 20 30 pounds doing this diet<br>also<br>and now he's having people eating pasta<br>in the gym at night<br>it's just a matter of like a very small<br>feeding window yeah consume as many<br>calories as you want during that time<br>and then the rest of the day you just<br>grind out<br>wow<br>i would like to talk to like a<br>legitimate nutritionist about this the<br>science of what's happening yeah one i'd<br>like to have like some like andrew<br>huberman follow you around and like sort<br>of analyze what's going on with your<br>body while this is happening well i<br>think another thing is cortisone um<br>cortisol i think with um with stress<br>when it makes it harder to lose weight<br>like always cortisol affected me with<br>losing weight um from not being happy<br>what you're eating and stuff oh<br>interesting but when i'm like this i'm<br>happier and you don't have as much<br>cortisol so<br>i don't know if that's true i'm not a<br>nutritionist but um i i've noticed these<br>things with me<br>well i mean<br>what's important is what works right<br>yeah no one knows their body better than<br>a professional athlete so i'm sure your<br>understanding of what works and doesn't<br>work for for your body is pretty finely<br>tuned yeah you're so in tune with our<br>bodies i think it's also like a great<br>example of how much people vary in their<br>nutritional needs<br>you know like there's some people that<br>don't feel good unless they're eating a<br>lot of meat and then there's some people<br>who don't feel good unless they're not<br>eating meat and they're just eating like<br>the way it sounds like your body is like<br>very carb-centric yeah so what's<br>interesting about myself when i was a<br>kid my parents couldn't get me to eat<br>anything except pasta pasta with butter<br>olive oil there's a lot of kids like<br>that some kids they were like they were<br>like trying to give me a toy they're<br>like if you eat this steak will give you<br>this toy<br>but my whole life all i ate was like<br>pasta and pizza so<br>what's interesting is me eating the food<br>that i ate since i was a little kid my<br>body absorbs it the best and i feel the<br>best eating it so is it because i ate<br>that for so many years as a kid that my<br>body just knows how to deal with it kind<br>of makes sense<br>yeah it's interesting it's like how<br>alcoholics can process<br>alcohol better yeah they're homeostasis<br>yes so when you go to a restaurant do<br>you just order pasta always pasta pizza<br>that's it<br>that's a crazy diet man i don't think<br>there's anybody that i've ever heard of<br>that's like a legitimate professional<br>athlete at the highest level that eats<br>like that do you know of anybody else i<br>really don't<br>i don't but it works for me it does work<br>for you but it's kind of crazy that you<br>have the courage to try this out and to<br>do it because a lot of like elite<br>athletes they will essentially mimic<br>the patterns that other elite athletes<br>in terms of like diet<br>recovery you know oh that guy won a gold<br>medal in wrestling and this is what he<br>does so i'll do that<br>yeah totally um and i've tried all the<br>diets like i've been on every diet but<br>it's not sustainable for me<br>like um where i could keep training like<br>i am you know like i feel like i would<br>want to quit jiu jitsu if i had to eat<br>like like those diets because i did it<br>too many years what have you done you've<br>done like keto keto i've done i've done<br>like like five meals a day like protein<br>small amount of carbs or where you're<br>deficient in just fat you're deficient<br>in carbs you're deficient in protein you<br>know i've done all of them have you done<br>them under a nutritional supervision yes<br>and this was like while you're trying to<br>cut weight yeah and i feel like a big<br>thing is because of the eating stuff<br>i've had since i was a kid i have a hard<br>time with portions because of that so<br>because i don't have to have portions<br>with this diet i'm able to do it yeah i<br>saw a video of you at a restaurant with<br>a giant bowl of pasta and a jug of olive<br>oil you're just pouring the olive oil<br>all over the pasta<br>but i guess you need that those fats<br>from that olive oil too right yeah and<br>um it's funny because i once got kicked<br>out of a pasta restaurant and all you<br>could eat pasta restaurant for eating<br>too many pasta bowls come on so i go in<br>kicked you out they told me i'm done<br>they like so i go in uh this place was<br>in san jose i go in it says unlimited<br>possible so the first thing i say to the<br>person at the front desk what's the<br>record they're like what do you mean<br>like how many possibles has someone ever<br>had and they're like five so now i'm on<br>both six<br>and the manager comes over to me like<br>angry and he's like you're done no more<br>i'm like but it's unlimited possible he<br>said your max has been you're expired<br>wow<br>what a stupid thing to do but then that<br>restaurant like a month later went out<br>of business<br>so i might have ate them out of business<br>i'm sure you didn't<br>but their attitude probably ate them out<br>of business yeah that's a shitty<br>attitude like if you say unlimited that<br>means unlimited exactly and you don't<br>make someone feel bad for adhering to<br>the boundaries that you set up<br>especially i'm not this big fat guy i'm<br>this small skinny guy i know that's<br>probably what's really crazy right<br>you're walking in there 135 pounds<br>eating six giant bowls of pasta<br>what a dumbass restaurant yeah all those<br>all you can eat things are just like<br>it's such a risky move like you you get<br>the wrong dude in there and just crush<br>your business yeah yeah a big fat guy<br>goes in or someone my size i know you<br>don't eat meat but uh i love meat too<br>though i do love meat you ever eat at a<br>football photo shop oh my god<br>i love brazilian barbecue i do too it's<br>the best yeah and that's all you can eat<br>i mean they just keep coming as long as<br>you can eat powers yeah if you you have<br>those<br>the green on one side and the red on the<br>other the card and when the green is up<br>they give you all the food you want and<br>they come by with<br>chicken wings and you know<br>just different cuts of beef and lamb and<br>oh it's fantastic it's one of the best<br>ways to eat yeah it really is no limit's<br>the best but some people can put it away<br>some people could just keep eating keep<br>eating and so they have to like sort of<br>get<br>they have to figure out how much profit<br>they're going to make if it's all you<br>can eat they have to figure out like<br>what how much can i charge this guy like<br>you know what i mean like you have you<br>can't you have to everyone has to get<br>paid have everyone rather has to pay the<br>same amount so it's like it's a risky<br>proposition for them and it's<br>interesting how like in those places<br>they'll sometimes make the meat come out<br>slow like so you'll eat a lot and then<br>they'll disappear for a while so you get<br>full right yeah<br>so you like me you just don't eat it<br>because of performance so for<br>performance it doesn't help you yeah i<br>feel more bloated when i'm eating meat i<br>feel cleaner when i'm not eating as much<br>meat that's interesting i love seafood<br>too though yeah<br>i feel like seafood's a little cleaner<br>do you occasionally at least a little<br>easier to digest you mean yes yeah do<br>you occasionally have moments where you<br>feel like i need some more extra protein<br>like i'm really training extra<br>definitely yeah if i feel like i'm like<br>a little lightheaded or something i'll<br>have a little more meat or seafood do<br>you throw seafood on the pasta or some<br>seafood on the pizza sometimes i'll make<br>like shellfish like squid clams mussels<br>nice you know i love<br>shellfish that's like really sicilian<br>that my family is so yeah mine on my<br>grandfather's side too i i love uh<br>seafood and one of my favorite things<br>that sounds disgusting but one of my<br>favorite pizzas is uh anchovies and<br>pineapple<br>what yes but you're eating pineapple on<br>pizza you'll get canceled from italians<br>i don't give a [ __ ]<br>i ate regular pizza but i also eat pizza<br>with anchovies and pineapple what is<br>that like fantastic it's so good is it<br>like grilled pineapple like in a<br>brazilian barbecue yeah they is it like<br>that tasty cook it with the pineapple on<br>it so but i it's got cheese and tomato<br>sauce like normal right mozzarella<br>cheese you know tomato sauce on it but<br>also<br>pineapple and anchovies a lot of<br>pineapple and a lot of anchovy so it's a<br>[ __ ] thick heavy slice yeah and it's<br>so salty and sweet and savory and then<br>you got the sauce and the cheese and the<br>crust and the saltiness<br>to all the different senses that's my<br>favorite pizza wow i know people people<br>say there's something wrong with me i<br>don't care i don't care i'm accustomed<br>to it<br>i'm comfortable with it but yeah that's<br>my favorite pizza pineapple and anchovy<br>try sometimes it's a weird combo give it<br>a shot yeah anchovy's got to be good for<br>you a lot of protein in anchovies yeah<br>right<br>you don't like them no i made a face<br>yeah yeah definitely a little salty<br>[ __ ] i'll eat them right out of a can<br>i bought a can of anchovies the other<br>day ate the whole can wow i love them<br>it's a lot of protein yeah yeah<br>for sure<br>so when you are um eating this way<br>you eat whatever you want you kind of<br>have it set up you do it all yourself so<br>it's like it's very repeatable yeah<br>and when do you find a difference if you<br>go to a restaurant do you feel different<br>when you when you vary from that if i go<br>to like a high quality restaurant like i<br>feel like it'll be very similar how i<br>cook at home<br>but like if i go to like a lower quality<br>one like you could feel the difference<br>like physically when i train<br>like you could feel like less energy you<br>feel bloated if you're not eating good<br>quality foods with a guy like you with<br>this incredible schedule that you have<br>is is it seems like sustainability is<br>like a theme with you it's like the<br>biggest thing so it's you've got to be<br>comfortable and happy with everything in<br>order to be able to put these kind of<br>numbers in 100 because if you're<br>suffering you can't sustain it right<br>but people would think that just<br>training that many hours a day is<br>suffering<br>if you're training with a purpose you<br>know like if you go into training jiu<br>jitsu and you're going in as a workout i<br>think that it would be very hard to<br>train like i am but if you're going in<br>like you're solving a math problem and<br>you're trying to figure out answers to<br>the math problem then it becomes easy<br>because you're just so focused on one<br>thing you forget that you're even<br>training<br>well you're you're very good at breaking<br>down the steps to uh to accomplish a<br>submission yeah i like watching your<br>videos that you do<br>explain like the mikey lock or some<br>other techniques that you that you go<br>your go-to techniques<br>um<br>that sort of systematic way of analyzing<br>things<br>and then<br>being able to express that to other<br>people that seems to be very important<br>to you<br>to me it's so important because if we<br>could subconsciously do something that's<br>cool but if you could explain what<br>you're doing like it's just so<br>interesting to me how the body works<br>yeah and the correlations in the body so<br>that's what i enjoy about jiu-jitsu the<br>science of it um sometimes i'll go to my<br>friends that are in medical school or<br>doctors and i'll be like why is the body<br>when i do this this happens and like how<br>did you figure that out but it's just<br>because i understand how the body works<br>and manipulating the body gives us<br>certain positions in jiu jitsu brian<br>you're very intimately connected to your<br>body if you're like getting it to the<br>point of death multiple times a day yes<br>you know you get a rear naked choke<br>you're kind of getting someone to the<br>point of death yeah right there just a<br>few steps away multiple times a day<br>do you think that this is one of the<br>things that i felt from martial arts<br>myself and then i've recognized in other<br>people too that there's something that<br>happens when you start teaching<br>where you get better<br>100 because now you're like seeing all<br>the details you never realized yeah so<br>you'll do a move but then when you start<br>teaching it you'll notice oh my god wait<br>i'm doing this detail and then now<br>you're way more technical to move and<br>then you evolve with the move yeah that<br>helped me so much<br>there was a friend of mine from my<br>purple belt days my friend brent and we<br>used to always train together we always<br>had fun sessions but i was like a little<br>bit better than him and then he started<br>teaching<br>and then<br>i had enrolled with him in like six<br>months and then i roll with them and i<br>was like what the [ __ ] is going on like<br>he immediately caught me to kimura and i<br>[ __ ] my elbow up not tapping trying to<br>get out because i was like he doesn't<br>catch me like this like i'm gonna get<br>out of it so i'm like oh my god i'm in<br>[ __ ] trouble and then but you know i<br>couldn't do chin ups for like two months<br>afterwards<br>and i was like god damn you got so much<br>better what the [ __ ] happened he's like<br>dude it's teaching teaching just got me<br>so much better everything just got<br>sharper and fine like he looked the same<br>that was the thing it's not like he got<br>in greater shape yeah like to me he was<br>the same guy but he wasn't the same guy<br>like his pathways were very clear in his<br>mind from position to position and he<br>probably got stronger also<br>not physically but just because he's so<br>much more efficient with how he's doing<br>the positions it makes you stronger<br>right<br>yeah his leverage i'm sure was better<br>his understanding of the positions and<br>also like not not holding on when he's<br>about to get reversed and abandoning<br>positions and reestablishing control<br>yeah like his probably understanding of<br>where the errors are where things could<br>go wrong was a little bit more finely<br>tuned<br>yeah and that's what i love about jiu<br>jitsu like um that's what's interesting<br>when i stopped lifting weights and doing<br>conditioning i actually got stronger in<br>training because i started learning how<br>to become more efficient with how i use<br>my body<br>so i'm interested then people are like<br>wow you got stronger but i didn't get<br>stronger i just got more i got more<br>technical<br>that's interesting so do you feel though<br>that all of your muscles that you use in<br>jiu jitsu like they get enough of a<br>workout in doing just the various<br>techniques that you really don't need to<br>add anything exactly<br>i feel like it's a full body workout<br>right so<br>we don't need to do extra things i<br>supplement it just with some light<br>running like for my nervous system but i<br>don't need to do anything more than that<br>like card like air dyn running some<br>people did you uh did you try this oh<br>i'll try it it's a kill cliff it's got<br>that one's got caffeine in it this one's<br>got cbd in it caffeine's awesome you're<br>you're a caffeine junkie i love caffeine<br>cheers<br>caffeine for me helps me focus more<br>i'm sure well i think for everybody<br>that's the whole point of it what form<br>do you take your caffeine in green tea<br>extract yeah like this this has green<br>tea extract in it yeah yeah yeah so<br>every time i drink green tea extract i<br>feel way more focused and better that's<br>your stuff do you drink coffee or just<br>green tea extract coffee i don't feel<br>the same energy from as green tea<br>extract so i stick more to green tea<br>and<br>guarana obviously you like uh<br>excuse me<br>he gave perfect portuguese pronunciation<br>yeah uh guanana you uh like also right<br>from acai yeah guadalup that's what<br>makes acai taste so good yeah well<br>people in the north jazz yeah people in<br>the north won't say that because they<br>don't believe northern brazil they don't<br>believe in guadalajara and acai really<br>they eat it like bitter without any<br>guarana in it what yeah it tastes<br>horrible but that's like so bad i'm<br>saying that to them<br>oh because it's like it's like cranberry<br>juice or something like that it's like<br>not the natural one<br>oh i see i see and then in rio sao paulo<br>they add guadagna to it and it tastes<br>amazing so the guarana is what makes it<br>sweet yes really it's the sugar in it oh<br>i didn't know that so the acai berries<br>themselves are not that sweet it's<br>bitter because god when i get an acai<br>bowl like one of those health food<br>places i'm like am i just eating the<br>[ __ ] ice cream<br>it's so good it's so good it just tastes<br>like i'm eating sherbet like this can't<br>be good for you and that's why i eat<br>acai every day because it gets rid of my<br>sugar craving ah so that's your dessert<br>yeah i eat a pint of it jesus so how<br>much caffeine is in that how much<br>caffeine is in a pint of acai i don't<br>even know but i eat it before sleeping<br>and i'm able to sleep so<br>well you're probably so tired by the<br>time you hit the sack it doesn't matter<br>yeah i mean if you're training 12 hours<br>in a day i mean even if you're just<br>drilling but but you're probably not<br>just drilling you're live drilling and<br>you're rolling yeah you're doing all<br>these different things<br>for 12 hours during the day i just can't<br>imagine how you do that without eating<br>something just snacks or you never like<br>have a snack or piece of fruit or<br>anything no because at night i'm just so<br>excited to eat what i get to night time<br>and you've been doing it this way for<br>how long<br>okay so<br>many years i've been training a lot like<br>high volume but um this particular way<br>like the last like four<br>five years so this is the one that's the<br>one diet the one meal a day one meal day<br>three four years three or four years wow<br>i guess you've got it down it's working<br>yeah and there's no one else that other<br>than a couple of guys over at uh daisy<br>fresh that are trying to imitate that<br>not that i know of um<br>onto something he may be you might be<br>onto something i'm wondering because<br>like i've seen your performances and i<br>watch you eat and first of all it<br>there's i think there is something to<br>the fact that you're enjoying your food<br>so much enjoyment so important for me<br>yeah<br>yeah if i was not enjoying my food i'm<br>miserable and then i'm training pissed<br>off you know then you're just angry all<br>day<br>well you also enjoy training right so<br>your your life is filled with things you<br>enjoy that's very fortunate<br>yes i mean that's the like if you didn't<br>care about jiu jitsu<br>those 12 hours would be horrible<br>because you would just be doing<br>something you don't give a [ __ ] about<br>and then waiting to eat pizza yeah but<br>you're enjoying what you're doing<br>because you love jiu jitsu and then<br>you're enjoying your food<br>yeah exactly enjoying is we only live<br>once right so we have to enjoy what<br>we're doing what's the least enjoyable<br>part of your life<br>um<br>when i'm doing this lifestyle i really<br>just enjoy everything everything<br>competing i hate sometimes um why do you<br>hate competing<br>i'm a very introvert person so fighting<br>in front of people people watching me<br>just talking the random people i get<br>anxiety right so but i also love it<br>because i hate it so really i love<br>pushing myself to do things that make me<br>uncomfortable<br>so<br>that's why i love competing but i hate<br>at the same time love hate do you love<br>the challenge of it or do you love the<br>accomplishments do you love the success<br>so what i love about competing is valid<br>um that i'm able to make the positions<br>i'm doing valid so<br>my goal when i compete is to do a move<br>or a position that i'm working and if i<br>could hit that move or position then i<br>feel like it's a valid move because i<br>can do it in training but i don't count<br>it unless i do it in the top level so<br>like say if you have like the marcelo<br>cohen fight yeah so if you see if you<br>have a match like that do you go into<br>that match saying i want to get this guy<br>in a mounted triangle yes really always<br>i have a goal that i want to do a move<br>and um that's what i guess because i've<br>been competing so many years that's the<br>last the thing that satisfies me now is<br>hitting a thing that i'm working in the<br>tournament it like validates it<br>and what if you get<br>like you're in a match and it's like<br>very close like it's like neck and neck<br>and you see some opportunities for<br>something else other than this move that<br>you set out to do oh totally i'll then<br>do the other moves but i'll be upset<br>that i couldn't do the move i want<br>but then i'll take the other move you<br>know<br>um but yeah like with imminari what did<br>you go into that match<br>wanting to do because he's a leglock<br>fanatic yes and a master of leg locks so<br>do you think i'd like to leglock in<br>minari my mindset going into the match<br>was i wanted to give him my leg and then<br>attack his back or pass his guard off of<br>that i knew that he could do some damage<br>in that spot but i was so comfortable in<br>those exchanges that i knew i could and<br>eventually i passed his guard off of him<br>attacking my leg well he was attacking<br>your ankles<br>i was getting nervous yeah because it<br>looked pretty strong it's really good it<br>was [ __ ] tight<br>but you have crazy flexible ankles yeah<br>so i knew that he wouldn't have enough<br>leverage to finish my foot so i knew<br>that i could slowly work to take the<br>back how did you know he wasn't gonna<br>have enough leverage just because of the<br>fulcrum you have in nokia to finish a<br>straight footlock his fulcrum was so<br>small and um i was able based on the<br>position or just in general based on the<br>position that he was doing um his<br>fulcrum was very low and i controlled<br>his hips in a way that he couldn't<br>bridge enough to finish me<br>so i knew this going in that i could<br>stop him from finishing me and i could<br>slowly work to pass his guard and then<br>take the back does it also help the fact<br>that your ankles are so flexible that<br>you have like a little bit of extra give<br>that other people don't have i feel like<br>because the straight ankle lock is one<br>of my best positions um i won blackberry<br>world's finals in 12 seconds with it oh<br>so that's like one of my best moves so<br>i'm really knowledgeable in the straight<br>footlock so him doing the position on me<br>like i know all the ins and outs of it<br>and what makes it hard to finish<br>when you tap a guy like iminari what is<br>that like like for a guy like you who<br>was probably watching him compete when<br>you were a little boy<br>uh so when i after like right<br>immediately after like the match i<br>really said to him you're such a legend<br>it was such an honor to fight with you<br>like i felt his powers like when i just<br>started like rolling with him you know<br>so it was incredible well he's<br>responsible for such a revolution in in<br>leg locks in mma uh<br>outside of the donahue death squad and<br>dean lister and all those people that<br>are responsible for bringing leg locks<br>into jiu jitsu and making him such a<br>primary part of people's attacks<br>if you go and you watch imminari in the<br>early days<br>like<br>immanuel he was tapping everybody george<br>gergel he tapped him [ __ ] his leg up<br>with the with a heel hook<br>that imminari roll i mean he's literally<br>named after like a primary technique for<br>entering into leglock positions yeah now<br>even in high school wrestling people are<br>doing imminari roles i saw that yeah<br>it's wild<br>it's crazy so he's having such an impact<br>on this generation from his which is my<br>goal to eventually have an impact on the<br>next generation well i think you opened<br>up a lot of people's eyes with that<br>mikey lock i guarantee you that i mean<br>i'm sure you're gonna have more to come<br>but that one alone a lot of people are<br>examining that and like holy [ __ ] this<br>is very legit yeah um but he did his<br>role in jiu-jitsu he had an impact on my<br>generation you know so he's such a<br>legend props in minori are you lined up<br>to compete against someone else and like<br>once you beat a guy like iminari is<br>there like pressure to like<br>it's that's the top of the food chain<br>such a legend yeah especially with mma<br>and jiu-jitsu and especially in asia<br>like iminari is like enormously popular<br>so i know that in the end of the year<br>i'm probably having a match with mighty<br>mouse<br>yes wow<br>interesting props to mighty mouse no<br>he's the true martial artist doing all<br>the disciplines muay thai mma jiu-jitsu<br>how about the fact that he fought rod<br>tang in that mixed match<br>so he he goes one round with a muay thai<br>and then one round of mma rules takes<br>him down and strangles him insane but he<br>was holding his own and and muay thai or<br>at least enough defensively to not get<br>[ __ ] up because<br>a lot of people thought like man how is<br>he going to get through that first round<br>with raw tank because raw tank is going<br>to know that it's going to go to<br>sacramento to be mma but the first round<br>he can't take him down he's going to go<br>full out no yeah it's horrifying<br>fighting rating muay thai<br>but isn't that fascinating that one is<br>interested in doing something like that<br>i really wish the ufc would take chances<br>like that and have those kind of matches<br>where you have a mixed match where you<br>have one round<br>mma one round<br>full<br>uh muay thai rules one round back to mma<br>like to do it that way is amazing well<br>what it's doing is it brings the muay<br>thai audience and the mma audience<br>together and it like shows two martial<br>arts and i feel like one championship<br>really does that so well<br>and they just are joining amazon prime<br>usa now so then americans will be able<br>to start watching and they'll be able to<br>see these macs so it'll be streamed on<br>amazon prime right yes and when does<br>that start that starts<br>uh that starts september 30th my first<br>my fight for the belt so<br>by september 30th you're gonna be good<br>to go with your your appendix issue and<br>all that jazz well hopefully it seems<br>that way uh right now but um because the<br>doc i could start training hard again<br>like mid-august so that's enough time<br>for you yeah i'll be fine because i'm<br>staying in shape right you know um i<br>right out of the hospital i ran like 10<br>miles the next i wasn't supposed to the<br>doctor was like you could lightly walk<br>and jog and that turned wild<br>that's hilarious but it doesn't seem<br>like i injured myself so congratulations<br>thank you<br>so who are you uh going against in<br>september um i think i'm competing with<br>clebur souza his name is he's a high<br>level person from brazil okay he's gonna<br>be a great match nice and so this is for<br>the one championship uh jiu jitsu bell<br>the first belt in one championship<br>history in jiu-jitsu and how many belts<br>are they gonna have how many weight<br>glasses for jiu-jitsu it's gonna be the<br>same as muay thai kickboxing and mma<br>they want it<br>so they're fly away yeah<br>interesting so jiu jitsu is going to be<br>like that now and it's the biggest<br>platform ever you know yeah well i saw<br>they did that match with uh gary tonin<br>and was it<br>and he caught him in a darts choke<br>damn those kids those twins are [ __ ]<br>amazing amazing amazing they're so<br>talented and they're so young good<br>they are twins right yeah they're twins<br>yeah they're so [ __ ] talented yeah<br>they're so uh aggressive too like the<br>way they attack attack attack it's like<br>their style is so fan friendly yeah well<br>it's like how i see it is we're a part<br>of this generation that's spreading jiu<br>jitsu to a new platform right so it's we<br>have a responsibility to make our<br>matches exciting you know so the guys<br>that are fighting not submitting or<br>finishing like i feel like um who's<br>gonna want to watch that that doesn't<br>know jiu-jitsu right it's so boring so<br>one championship the format is uh the<br>winner is whoever has the most<br>submission catches<br>and<br>and real submissions like legit<br>submissions so it forces you that if you<br>want to win the match you have to be<br>going for the finish right and that's<br>what's going to make people that don't<br>know what jiu jitsu is like muay thai<br>kickboxing able to appreciate gg2 you<br>know and then if you stalling you got a<br>yellow card and now you're losing money<br>from your fight like<br>your salary that you're getting paid to<br>fight you start losing a percentage of<br>it as you get yellow cards oh so they do<br>yellow cards in one yes have they always<br>done yellow cards in one i'm not sure<br>but now they do that was one of the more<br>controversial yet interesting aspects of<br>pride the fact that they did that yeah<br>the old prizes the old pride when they<br>gave people yellow cards you know they i<br>think they took away ten percent of your<br>purse every time they did that it gives<br>you an incentive that you have to fight<br>you're there to perform right and yeah<br>the only way jiu jitsu will get to this<br>platform and stay here is if we're<br>finishing matches and we're making it<br>exciting right like i remember with my<br>match with minari like muay thai people<br>kickboxing people that don't even know<br>jiu-jitsu were able to watch it and like<br>they they thought it was cool<br>so to me i did my job and the routers<br>are doing that also and gordon will do<br>that like everyone that fights on the<br>one championship platform we have that<br>responsibility win or lose you have to<br>fight well when you look at the rotolo<br>brothers when you look at gary tonin and<br>you and gordon one thing that you guys<br>all have in common is you are very<br>attack based styles and you take chances<br>and you re you go for the finish the<br>problem with jiu jitsu in tournament<br>format form is when there's points<br>involved for takedowns points involved<br>for passing and points involved for just<br>positions there's a lot of people that<br>get really good at positional control<br>but they don't get good at submissions<br>and they win world championships so they<br>don't submit anybody well i think it has<br>to do with the rule set and the the<br>incentive to submit someone is not that<br>high in those formats like if it's to<br>submit someone is the only way you win<br>right like whoever has the most<br>submission catches it forces you you<br>have to go finish the fight yeah yeah<br>that and i think that's really what<br>jiu-jitsu is all about jiu-jitsu is all<br>about submissions it's not about like<br>passing guard and holding side control<br>like that doesn't mean anything so if<br>you don't do anything that doesn't mean<br>anything totally i agree<br>now when you think about the future of<br>jiu jitsu do you think that<br>like this kind of one fc format thing is<br>where it's gonna go to where you're<br>gonna see like larger crowds and then<br>and integrated into like mma cards like<br>this i really think that this is the<br>future jiu-jitsu it's going to be like<br>how ufc um all the major mma uh<br>organizations it's going to be that with<br>jiu-jitsu athletes so jiu jitsu athletes<br>will be able to make a living just<br>competing at the biggest stage<br>endorsements everything is going to grow<br>so much like this you know it certainly<br>has potential right because we see how<br>much better it is now like uh i started<br>training in 96 and there was tournaments<br>and everything like that when i was born<br>yeah well you're a little baby<br>i was born in 1996 perfect so there was<br>no um<br>professional option really as like a<br>professional jiu jitsu fighter there's<br>no way anybody could actually count on<br>paying their bills and no one no way<br>anybody could pump become like actually<br>famous like gordon like it's kind of<br>crazy yeah<br>it's so crazy you know and um all my old<br>jiu jitsu friends all had to go to mma<br>back in the day<br>because there was no money in jiu-jitsu<br>right so they had to go to mma now it's<br>like do you have to go to mma not really<br>right<br>do you uh spend time working on<br>wrestling do you spend time working on<br>takedowns or judo or anything like that<br>so when i was a kid i did a lot of<br>wrestling um i actually got second place<br>in florida sea horse wrestling<br>tournament when i was a kid so i love<br>wrestling but um when i started training<br>in the gym with just all these big guys<br>like i felt like i was gonna get hurt<br>wrestling these guys because they would<br>just throw me right so i started<br>becoming a guard player just training<br>with so many big people i got forced to<br>be a guard player right you know but i<br>do appreciate and love wrestling and i<br>am learning it actively still<br>well the one thing about the guard for<br>especially when you're dealing with like<br>wrestlers is like they they will<br>willingly<br>go into that position like it's not a<br>position that people avoid yeah like if<br>you pull guard guys will get on top of<br>you yeah and then if you are accustomed<br>to that and that's where your game<br>starts like that's where you go you know<br>when you see guys like uh jeremiah vance<br>do you know jeremiah vance he's one of<br>the 10th planet guys that has this<br>[ __ ] wicked guard okay his guard is<br>red he's like you know there's guys<br>where you roll with them and their guard<br>is so scary yeah so many attacks yeah<br>it's just so different than everybody<br>else's and other guys you roll with<br>their god is basically a good time for<br>you to take a break yeah you could like<br>hang on just like as long as you're like<br>defensively responsible you're okay<br>but jeremiah is terrifying from his back<br>and that's always very interesting to me<br>to see guys who have this one position<br>down to just such a science<br>well such an efficient position you know<br>especially in competing uh competing jiu<br>jitsu obviously in a self-defense<br>situation um<br>our knowledge of wrestling we need<br>knowledge of wrestling to take someone<br>down and someone that does no combat<br>experience that's in a fist fight on a<br>street we could all take down that do<br>you get too right right so but in<br>competition it's more efficient to be on<br>bottom in terms of that i don't have to<br>take someone down and then progress<br>right you could just sit down and<br>immediately start attacking the person<br>in submissions yeah so i feel like if i<br>take someone down i have to do one extra<br>step but if i'm already in my guard i<br>could already start attacking<br>submissions so it i could get to the<br>point yes it's funny that there's like a<br>negative stigma or stereotype about<br>guard pulling yeah<br>that's weird it's very weird like um<br>they're like oh if there were punches<br>thrown but again if there were punches<br>thrown in a street fight the person has<br>no experience in fighting right like we<br>would kill the person yeah we would be<br>able to take them down and like all of<br>our knowledge and jitsu we would all be<br>able to take them down there's something<br>to be said for the fact that you are<br>vulnerable to strikes in certain<br>positions and that one of the things<br>that's really interesting that has kind<br>of kind of emerged recently is combat<br>jiu jitsu yeah and you see that from<br>from eddie bravo's uh invention like<br>what happens with palm strikes and open<br>slaps like a lot of guys are getting<br>[ __ ] up i see someone get knocked out<br>even yeah props eddie bro he's awesome<br>it's a great idea right isn't it<br>yeah it's like an in-between mma and<br>jiu-jitsu yeah and it's also in my eyes<br>it's sort of like a proving ground for<br>technical positions because there are<br>some positions where someone really<br>could just punch you in the face because<br>you're committing two arms to one leg<br>and you're struggling to try to secure<br>it and as you're struggling you're kind<br>of turning towards them and you're too<br>close they could just pummel you in the<br>face and now we're seeing that like oh<br>yeah this is probably not<br>realistic this is not sound yeah and i<br>feel like it's a whole other element and<br>variable that we don't think about in<br>gta 2.<br>uh that there's punches like oh if i'm<br>holding here boom right<br>and people are forced to think about<br>those things when they actually do mma<br>but this is like a really interesting<br>sort of a middle ground i think for<br>someone transitioning the mma it's<br>actually a great format because it<br>teaches you okay if i'm doing this i'm<br>gonna get hit in the face yeah and it's<br>really popular yeah and for viewers it's<br>way more exciting oh yeah right very<br>exciting yeah it's just fun um what do<br>you do outside of jiu jitsu like what is<br>fun for mikey musamechi i love uh hiking<br>i love going on hikes um in vegas i go<br>to this place called gold strike it's<br>like the best hike you were telling me<br>about this this is nuts like tell me the<br>story about your covid experience there<br>so i had covid in january again i've had<br>it a few times now and when i had coven<br>in january i lost this my taste and<br>smell<br>so<br>i was doing sauna i was doing many<br>things nothing was bringing it back and<br>i was trying to eat pizza and i couldn't<br>taste the pizza like it was a hard time<br>for me<br>that's when life got really hard<br>so bland cardboard pizza yeah and like i<br>i felt like i knew what it tasted like<br>but i couldn't taste it wow so<br>i go hiking in gold strike and i was out<br>for like three hours and i went hiking a<br>long hike and i come back from this hike<br>and all of a sudden my taste and smell<br>came back after doing this hike<br>i don't know the science to that maybe<br>someone listening to this will be able<br>to explain that time you've done other<br>hikes where there's the<br>during the same time where you know no<br>sense this is your first hike my first<br>hike but i was training with another<br>friend that had kovit in my garage we<br>both had it so we just stayed together<br>and just trained<br>we were doing sauna like sauna and<br>nothing my my taste and smell were gone<br>but were you when were you still<br>positive yes 100 i was still sick with<br>kovitt so do you think you guys were<br>giving each other covet back and forth<br>like you're about to recover and then<br>you give it to each other again i don't<br>know we got over that time you know i<br>wonder if you both had different strains<br>of covid maybe like combining strains to<br>some [ __ ] super virus and oh my god<br>in my garage<br>in your garage you're gonna laboratory<br>because it's it it's interesting that<br>if that was in january is that when you<br>said you got yes<br>that should have been the omicron strain<br>i believe yes which is not necessarily<br>known for<br>taste and smell that's usually the delta<br>or the original i wonder if you guys had<br>another one another one okay<br>yeah i don't know all i know is i tested<br>positive and um<br>when i did that hike in gold strike i<br>came back and my taste and smell came<br>back to me<br>so it was like the best thing ever but<br>you were saying that that area is very<br>unusual like the energy of it like um<br>it's next to the hoover dam so the<br>energy from the rocks like it like goes<br>through you if that makes sense like you<br>just feel the energy from the place just<br>from all the water flowing and yeah so i<br>felt like um it just cleansed me<br>i don't know what happened but maybe the<br>fresh air<br>but after that hike i felt so much<br>better so maybe it was coincidence but<br>maybe<br>there's something to being yeah i mean<br>maybe like there's real science to being<br>in nature and that being in nature is<br>good for for human bodies no more<br>vaccines just everyone go to gold<br>strikes can you imagine<br>well there's no real protocol for<br>restoring your smell and your taste<br>after you've had covert that i'm aware<br>of yeah i've heard uh alpha lipoic acid<br>that was huberman said that alpha lipoic<br>acid has some positive benefits<br>and um some people have said that nad<br>drips or they've done iv drips if nad<br>that's restored their their<br>sense of taste and smell but it's not<br>like there's like a medical procedure or<br>medical protocol that you could follow<br>yeah i don't really know but um<br>i all i know is that helped me and um<br>covet sucks yeah well it sounds like it<br>sucked for you i got lucky i i got on<br>the right meds monocle antibodies and iv<br>vitamins and i was better in a couple<br>days i had delta yeah well i had it in<br>september that was the worst one i had<br>and in september<br>like i run six i would run six miles<br>every day during this time when i had<br>coveted i couldn't walk a mile because<br>my lungs my muscles all of my body felt<br>like it was deteriorating for many<br>months<br>i felt like do you think you ignored it<br>when it first started coming on you kept<br>training maybe see that's the thing i'm<br>at the reason why i'm asking this is the<br>people that i know that are young and<br>healthy that wind up getting covered<br>really bad they tried to keep working<br>out like hamza hamza chemiev he's a ufc<br>top contender<br>he had kovit very very bad yeah but one<br>of the things that he did was he<br>wouldn't stop training so he got coveted<br>and he kept training and then he was<br>supposed to recover and rest and relax<br>back to the gym keep training spitting<br>up blood coughing out blood yeah and he<br>wound up getting hospitalized on more<br>than one occasion<br>crazy just too tough just too tough and<br>not being smart about it not taking the<br>time off and letting your body recover<br>so i wonder because you got it so bad it<br>seems so crazy because you're so healthy<br>and all you do is basically work your<br>body out and exercise<br>yeah and um like you said like um not<br>resting like in our minds we always are<br>pushing we're always pushing so our<br>tolerance the pain is a lot higher i<br>guess as athletes yeah so we think okay<br>we're okay we're just under the weather<br>let's keep training right that's what<br>i'm saying because like with you<br>you're also i mean also another guy that<br>that happened to was cody garbrandt in<br>the ufc he did the exact same thing he<br>got coveted he just kept training kept<br>training and he didn't even know he had<br>coveted until he went to mike tyson's uh<br>hot boxing show so he was going to be a<br>guest on mike tyson's show and they<br>swabbed him they said hey man you got<br>[ __ ] covet and he's like oh that's<br>what's been going on for the past month<br>so the like for more than a month he had<br>coveted and he kept training and his<br>body just kept it in and he was just<br>exhausted all the time yeah<br>so tough though he kept training and<br>that's probably you because you're so<br>used to doing it you're so used to first<br>of all talk about competing after you<br>dehydrate the [ __ ] out of yourself and<br>competing at 30<br>so you're used to that like the mental<br>toughness involved in just being able to<br>grind through and then you think about<br>this wacky diet you have where you're<br>only eating at night so like you're<br>going all day long training with nothing<br>in your stomach you're probably tired<br>you're probably beaten up so an extra<br>level of beating up to you is probably<br>like you weren't even noticing it yeah<br>like you just think okay i just have to<br>keep pushing yeah totally and so when<br>did you know that you had it<br>i knew i had it when i couldn't walk<br>and i couldn't lift things and my body<br>was just so messed up you know and had<br>you been training that whole time up<br>till that point yeah yeah that's<br>probably you probably killed yourself<br>yeah and then that was it<br>oh my god so it seems like your but your<br>life is<br>so dominated by jiu jitsu yeah it's like<br>your whole life right now at this time<br>in my life it is you know um it's my<br>passion and i'm trying to have in like<br>live my passion to the fullest i have a<br>gift i feel like god gave me this gift<br>and i want to<br>use the gift he gave me and now other<br>than like learning languages and hiking<br>and stuff like that do you have any<br>other hobbies do i don't even know how<br>you would have time for them well i love<br>climbing also indoor climbing is so much<br>fun that's got to be good for jiu jitsu<br>right that's the most similar thing i've<br>felt to jiu jitsu and vegas is like the<br>mecca besides colorado and america for<br>climbing yeah alex honold lives there<br>yeah so i would climb a lot for fun<br>hiking climbing physical things<br>um i love studying languages um<br>i love just learning in general anything<br>i can learn i really enjoy how do you<br>have the time to even learn things i<br>don't like but if i have a like a second<br>free like i'll read things like i just<br>enjoy learning<br>and<br>you know when you're competing at such a<br>high level<br>have you ever uh done any um mental<br>training have you worked with a sports<br>psychologist or have you read anything<br>about sports psychology<br>um i've read some things about law of<br>attraction and things like that but<br>i've always just tried to work hard on<br>just<br>uh embracing the things you know um i<br>once worked with a guy named eric parker<br>and he explained some of the feelings<br>were competing to me when i was a kid<br>was he a sports psychologist not a<br>sports psychologist just a coach yeah<br>just a coach and a friend and mentor and<br>um<br>that helped me a lot but besides that<br>nothing really<br>so it's just a lifetime of competition<br>and you're accustomed to it and you've<br>devised your own strategies to mitigate<br>the issues yeah so um in my mind like i<br>told you before anytime i feel<br>discomfort i have to do it so i had this<br>healthy part of me i don't know if it's<br>healthy but it's crazy anytime i felt<br>like um<br>i didn't want to do that i had to do it<br>you know so with competing i always felt<br>this push and it's not natural for me to<br>compete in front of people like i said<br>like i'm really introvert but because of<br>that i want to do it and<br>i also represent a different part of jiu<br>jitsu i feel<br>like a lot of the people in jitsu are<br>big like alpha buff guys you know like i<br>am kind of like a like a nerd like you<br>wouldn't think that i would be a jiu<br>jitsu person and i feel like um i show<br>people that you don't have to be like a<br>tough guy like a big tough guy yeah i<br>always like to talk about that the nerd<br>assassins yeah because there's so many<br>of them yeah you know and i think it's<br>really unique like uh gabe tuttle the<br>guy who is the uh head instructor the<br>tenth planet yeah<br>he's so technical and so smart and if<br>you saw him you just think he's a<br>regular guy but he's a [ __ ] stone<br>cold killer totally he's a small guy and<br>just like really smart and really<br>understands jiu jitsu and like yourself<br>is just enamored with it and loves it<br>yeah like um<br>that image of jiu jitsu that people<br>think you have to be a fighter this and<br>that yeah it's not really that way you<br>know and that's what's so beautiful<br>about it it is what it's beautiful about<br>it is that there's so many levels of<br>complexity and that when you see a guy<br>like yourself that is at this very very<br>high level in world class competition<br>you see these levels of complexity<br>playing out in terms of offense and<br>defense and to someone like myself<br>that's been doing jiu jitsu forever it's<br>it's so thrilling i really really love<br>it who's number one when they do that in<br>austin i'm in my glory i love it because<br>they get to sit down there and and watch<br>people like yourself and gordon ryan and<br>the rotolo brothers and all these<br>incredible competitors and it's like<br>it's so high level and when they have it<br>in that format i really enjoy that<br>format that who's number one format is<br>great yeah and uh something interesting<br>you said about um like strength and size<br>in jitsu um i think it's interesting how<br>many of the world champions they all<br>train differently and um you don't have<br>to have like a high iq you could have a<br>low iq but then<br>you have to be more athletic like<br>there's a certain box that you use to<br>your advantage right so like some one<br>person could just be physically really<br>strong by lifting a lot of weight and<br>then they use that another person can be<br>a freak athlete yep and not really that<br>smart and they could use that another<br>person could be a higher iq not really<br>athletic at all and then they could use<br>that so i feel like every so it's not a<br>one size fits all for jitsu right and i<br>feel like that's why people are like oh<br>how could you train that way how could<br>you train that way<br>it's because everyone's different and<br>embracing your strength is what makes<br>the top people the top people do the top<br>do you get together with any of the<br>other top people and compare like how<br>you handle training and how you handle<br>you know learning and<br>deciphering certain positions well just<br>from training 21 years i've been able to<br>observe all like many of the top people<br>and how they train<br>and from that gave me ideas how they<br>trained you know and<br>like i said i've noticed all of them<br>trained a little differently yeah none<br>of them exactly the same so that shows<br>you how everyone is individual in jiu<br>jitsu and they have to learn differently<br>do you know anybody that's on your level<br>that trains like you where you<br>basically are in charge of your own<br>training and you devise your own<br>strategies for dealing with various<br>problems i think hodge gracie does he i<br>think that when he lives he lives in<br>london um the uk right and i think that<br>he like is known for just training with<br>lower belts and he made his own training<br>right and isn't it crazy that that's<br>when he reached his peak yeah training<br>with lower belts when when he was at it<br>like eddie bravo used to tell me that<br>when i was first starting out he said<br>just train with blue belts yeah he goes<br>just strangle blue belts all day long i<br>go really he goes yeah it's like live<br>drilling but this might really stop you<br>from doing it because like if you're<br>rolling with a black belt he's going to<br>have an answer for all the things you're<br>doing and you won't really be able to<br>practice any offense you're just going<br>to be defending yourself all the time<br>but if you roll with the blue belt<br>you'll be able to just cut through all<br>this stuff and just keep tapping them<br>over and over again and for them it's<br>good because they get to understand like<br>hey this is what happens when you roll<br>with a black belt yeah and for you it's<br>great because you get to sharpen your<br>moves in a much better way and he's<br>right 100 that is the best way to get<br>better<br>yeah totally um you have live resistance<br>it's like live resistance drilling and<br>you slowly could build your game but<br>also helping them get better at the same<br>time yeah and making the room everyone<br>improve in the room well it's uh yeah<br>it's very important even like with this<br>idea of like rolling with uh lower class<br>belts the lower belts where they don't<br>have the skill to compete with you it's<br>very important for them to know that<br>they're people out there that can do<br>that to them because i remember the<br>first time that happened to me when i<br>first started doing jiu jitsu it was<br>super delusional and i was like i'm a<br>good athlete i'm [ __ ] strong i'll be<br>fine and i roll with this guy who's my<br>size who just<br>manhandled me he just did whatever he<br>wanted to me tap me armbard me some<br>purple belt guy and i remember leaving<br>class going wow i didn't know that that<br>was possible like that it would be so<br>easy for someone to just roll over me<br>just stomp me into the dirt<br>and then i realized like oh i could get<br>to where he's at because it's not he<br>didn't have like crazy physical<br>attributes he wasn't bigger than me or<br>stronger than me we were kind of the<br>same size so it was a real wake-up call<br>he got to feel his level yes i get to<br>feel his level and i also get to realize<br>that he's only a purple belt like his<br>level was not nearly<br>like black belt level which is even more<br>intriguing to me and it got me obsessed<br>with jiu jitsu that one ass kicking<br>early on when i was a wipeout just like<br>like a little light bulb went off my<br>head i was like oh my god<br>like this is a wild sport<br>like the levels because in striking<br>like i feel like so much in striking<br>once you know the technique so much of<br>it is timing and movement and so much of<br>it is if you're if you have a really<br>good athlete with like natural power<br>they have certain advantages there was<br>no advantages to be had in jiu-jitsu<br>like all of it is like you didn't know<br>what the [ __ ] you were doing and some<br>guy's just gonna come along and do<br>whatever he wants to you but it's i<br>think it's important for the beginner<br>just to know that that's<br>down the road 100 they have to feel that<br>level and it inspires them like okay one<br>day i could be like this yes<br>one day yeah yeah<br>so<br>you don't know how much longer you're<br>going to keep doing this do you think<br>you're going to keep doing this like<br>another 10 years do you have a goal of<br>when to stop training competing<br>it's my lifestyle right now so<br>right now this is my path in life so i'm<br>competing i have no idea<br>so no safety net just keep going no see<br>well<br>at any point i could go to law school i<br>could go to i could in the future like i<br>but right now right now jiu jitsu is it<br>do you think that's what you'll do when<br>you retire from competition<br>i don't think so i think i want to just<br>do jiu-jitsu being a lawyer is going to<br>be hard that's boring yeah yeah with a<br>bunch of cases you don't give a [ __ ]<br>about i think that being an instructor<br>that's what's so cool about youtube the<br>amount of people you could bring to to<br>and help make their days better you know<br>like if they're having a hard day or<br>yeah jiu-jitsu is a place for them to go<br>instead of doing something negative<br>right so i feel like instructors really<br>deserve recognition for that oh i think<br>so too and i think jiu jitsu gyms<br>schools and academies they become<br>like<br>a central place where people feel home<br>they feel comforted they feel like<br>they're with like-minded people and<br>comrades and people they train with and<br>you know it's like very much like a<br>family totally and um<br>you could train your whole life so<br>there's people training that like you'll<br>see on the computer there's people<br>training like 80 years old yeah like so<br>you could do this your whole life so do<br>you know uh dave mustaine from megadeth<br>no<br>you know that guys yeah he's like uh<br>he's he's training in jiu jitsu he<br>started when he was 58 years old wow<br>apparently he has a black bone karate<br>black belt in taekwondo<br>and now i think he's a purple or a brown<br>belt in jiu jitsu crazy i'm like [ __ ]<br>yeah dude<br>and then there's maynard keenan from<br>tulle he's a brown belt in jiu jitsu<br>very close to getting a black belt he's<br>working his way there so<br>it's exciting when people like they do<br>it later in life and you know they get<br>obsessed with it<br>and it's yeah there's never a time that<br>you can't do jiu jitsu right no it's<br>beautiful it's a beautiful heart and you<br>represent it very well my friend thank<br>you sir you really do it's very it's fun<br>to see you out there and it's very<br>exciting and i know a lot of people that<br>don't like my friend brian simpson who<br>knows who you are who doesn't have [ __ ]<br>to do with jiu jitsu he's not training<br>at all but he's seen a bunch of your<br>videos online and he gets gets excited<br>about it that's so cool it's cool but<br>that's one of the cool things about<br>youtube today and social media is that<br>you can have like<br>you can have a real fan base that has<br>zero training they're not training at<br>all they just enjoy watching you compete<br>and get things done it's fun yeah and um<br>then when they watch they'll start doing<br>jiu jitsu and then we could get more and<br>more people in it you know that's why<br>i'm so blessed for shatri with one<br>championship for what he's doing to<br>jiu-jitsu and um that's why i'm in<br>singapore right now like i want to be a<br>part of that growth<br>that's [ __ ] cool man so uh tell<br>everybody how to find you on social<br>media yes what is uh your instagram is<br>mikey musamechi yes mikey moussa<br>please m-i-k-e-y and then<br>m-u-s-u-m-e-c-i<br>uh that's my instagram page um it's a<br>lot of pizza and pasta on the page<br>besides youtube<br>do you use uh facebook at all yeah i um<br>i have a facebook page also but<br>primarily instagram and twitter at all<br>no good for you yeah<br>yeah<br>and uh so the who's number one match<br>will be september what uh my one<br>championship oh i'm sorry yes one<br>championship that will be september 30th<br>and i'll be fighting for the belt are<br>you doing any more who's number one<br>matches are you just not right now one<br>championship right now one championship<br>because i'm living in singapore right so<br>you do that you that's september<br>fighting for the belt and then you said<br>somewhere around the end of the year<br>maybe the mighty mouse mount yes and<br>also for one championship there's just<br>so many interesting things going on<br>right now so i'm so excited that's<br>awesome i'm excited too i'm a fan and uh<br>it was really cool to have you in here<br>and uh talk about this man thank you it<br>was an honor to be on your show sir<br>thank you so much my pleasure honored to<br>have you thank you very much thank you<br>all right<br>that's it bye thank you everybody<br>[Music]<br>[Applause]<br>you